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once you hit a certain age your body just can't deal with the stuff you did when you were a lot younger
That old Cherokee's body did just that, then at about 130k I found a guy who gusseted the unit body till bullet proof. Kids were rug rats when I bought it. Hence, no YJ. As wiring broke down, I bypassed so much AMC electrical crap that the underside of dash trim looked like the inside of the Apollo 13 orbiter. Every feature worked flawlessly and independently of key ignition including a concealed starter button. Thieves couldn't start it....instead pulled it off driveway. Neighbors heard something but didn't suspect. Real pros. Here, in Burque (Gang Slang) folks are beginning to boot their driveway bound rides; highest auto theft per capita in USA. Judges here believe that even mass murderers can be rehabbed. 20 priors? No problem! It's a sanctuary city, guys! Over the years, test drove YJs, TJs, Rubis, JKs...none were improvements over what I already had regarding drivability and capability....until the JL. Only problem with the XJ...can't go convertible sans doors without stage 4 modification. Rode with son in his TJ sans doors and man, that was fun! Spotting was a breeze.





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Here, in Burque (Gang Slang) folks are beginning to boot their driveway bound rides; highest auto theft per capita in USA.
Correct - I just looked it up :facepalm:
California seems to doing "great" as well...

My father - about your age I guess - who lives in NM avoids Abq as much as possible...
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Appreciate your thoughtful reply...seems like you'd be fun to wheel with.

I'm older, but stubborn. Lost the Cherokee last Aug. Reasonable settlement after fight. The principle is factory selling me what they want to sell rather than sticking to what they list on their package codes plus options. A bit like making a deal in the middle east. I'll keep hunting around till I really do feel too old. My dear older still wife of 50 years fully supports my efforts. Cheers.

BTW: nice CJ!
Thanks! I have a friend who runs a photo workshop in Santa Fe. Nice part of the world. If I ever get back down there....

Ha, I'm old, hopefully not too stubborn. Still won't cash in on the seniors discount at Denny's and Perkins because the portions are tiny....

Prices of Jeeps sure aren't what they used to be, my 86 CJ I bought second hand for a guy in late 86 because he couldn't afford the payments. Was $11,000 which was quite the jump up from the 77 CJ5 I was driving. Granted the CJ7 was nicer, heck it had a tilt steering wheel, padded roll bar, saddle bags and a hard top. Oh and power steering and brakes, the CJ5 only had manual steering and brakes, drums up front but had the 304 V8, headers, side pipes, dual front shocks and 2" lift. But it was a handful to drive, fast but frightening at speed on the highway.
 

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That old Cherokee's body did just that, then at about 130k I found a guy who gusseted the unit body till bullet proof. Kids were rug rats when I bought it. Hence, no YJ. As wiring broke down, I bypassed so much AMC electrical crap that the underside of dash trim looked like the inside of the Apollo 13 orbiter. Every feature worked flawlessly and independently of key ignition including a concealed starter button. Thieves couldn't start it....instead pulled it off driveway. Neighbors heard something but didn't suspect. Real pros. Here, in Burque (Gang Slang) folks are beginning to boot their driveway bound rides; highest auto theft per capita in USA. Judges here believe that even mass murderers can be rehabbed. 20 priors? No problem! It's a sanctuary city, guys! Over the years, test drove YJs, TJs, Rubis, JKs...none were improvements over what I already had regarding drivability and capability....until the JL. Only problem with the XJ...can't go convertible sans doors without stage 4 modification. Rode with son in his TJ sans doors and man, that was fun! Spotting was a breeze.
Ah AMC 'electronics' I enjoyed trying to figure out who actually made the parts under the hood of both CJ's. Ford ignition module, GM distributor, who knows where the coil came from. And in my saddle bags I basically carried a complete electrical system just in case and that was just for driving on the street!

Oh I loved to hate the CJ wiring, my fuel gauge stopped working 20 years ago so a few years ago I replaced the gauge. Worked fine for a few weeks then one day while out in the country the Jeep ground to a halt. Would not start, motor turned over, caught for a second and then dead. Had CAA flatbed tow me back home. Spent an evening scratching me head until I discovered that the fuse for the fuel gauge had blown. For some unknown reason that also successfully kills the motor! Replaced the fuse and the Jeep starts, but now the fuel gauge is dead. Take it all apart, figure it's something grounding so try and ensure there is no short in that system. Put it back together, Jeep starts! Gauge works, get to the bottom of the driveway, hit a bump, Jeep dies. Grrrr ok take it all back apart, discover this time the gauge has really shorted and the fine wiring that drives the needle has failed. Ok order a complete cluster from Omix Ida and install it, been ok since. As much as I complain about this, the flip side is on new vehicles if the computer goes south it's not going to be easy to solve and will wind up being stupidly expensive because the entire unit will probably have to be swapped out.
 

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Ah, the Good Old Days of CJ7s ! I carried spares,as you did, they failed frequently, but always could use Jumper Wires, or parts on hand to get Home.
These JLs are far superior in many ways, if only they could be Field Repaired...
 

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As much as I complain about this, the flip side is on new vehicles
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Exactly! I regarded the Cherokee with 280k as a free ride. I could fix it or re-engineer it. Usually see something coming before wheeling. And oh, the pleasure of doing that! All the parts...ALL were swaps at Autozone. Only had to pay for them once...Was able to carry spare starters, alternators, water pumps, etc. in a suitcase. Each time I fixed it, it drove and performed better than before. The Rostra cruise control was an absolute achievement. Factory cruise never worked reliably....just got tired of dealership having it rather than wheeling. Haven't replace the XJ yet. As I was pulling the trigger on a base 2 door Rubi JL, the sales guy said now you are required to buy the proximity ignition.... nope nope, nope. I rented a car with that..... went to drive it and nothing.... "fob not recognized". When these electronic nightmares go out of warranty at 50-60k and riders and drivers are stranded on something like Golden Spike with a $5000 pull-off fee.....nope! Not for me. No way! Can't trail fix that computer garbage.

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in CO perhaps
Wheeler Lake Trail south of Breckenridge. Wanted to sidewall that hump with right side on lower terrain. Spotter had something else in mind. LOL! Lots of fun little obstacles on that trail. Recommend Red Cone, Webster and all nearby trails. Not too difficult, but like single malt scotch AFTER wheeling.
 

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Exactly! I regarded the Cherokee with 280k as a free ride. I could fix it or re-engineer it. Usually see something coming before wheeling. And oh, the pleasure of doing that! All the parts...ALL were swaps at Autozone. Only had to pay for them once...Was able to carry spare starters, alternators, water pumps, etc. in a suitcase. Each time I fixed it, it drove and performed better than before. The Rostra cruise control was an absolute achievement. Factory cruise never worked reliably....just got tired of dealership having it rather than wheeling. Haven't replace the XJ yet. As I was pulling the trigger on a base 2 door Rubi JL, the sales guy said now you are required to buy the proximity ignition.... nope nope, nope. I rented a car with that..... went to drive it and nothing.... "fob not recognized". When these electronic nightmares go out of warranty at 50-60k and riders and drivers are stranded on something like Golden Spike with a $5000 pull-off fee.....nope! Not for me. No way! Can't trail fix that computer garbage.

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Ah yes the joy of key fobs! Tell me about that one, I have a smart ForTwo Brabus. Neat car but only got the 1 fob with it when I bought it used. They want 2 arms and 2 legs for a second one because it's some weird blank and then has to be programmed to the car's computer. Something like $400 for this, found some blanks but try and find somewhere to get them cut! On top of this unless the chip is programmed to the car you still can't start it. And if the battery dies, can't open the car. Granted you can pop the cap off the drivers door and use the key to get in. But I wonder if some cars no longer have a physical key. Thinking of those remote proximity systems, so what happens if the car's battery goes dead. Are you totally screwed?

I also have a 2000 Saturn, it has some anti theft system in the ignition switch. FYI I suspect the same switch they used in the Cobalt that forced a recall because the car would suddenly shut down while driving. Guess what, happened to me as well, coming off a highway ramp suddenly the car dies, power steering and brakes go away, luckily I prefer to own standard transmission cars so popped it in neutral and costed to the side of the road. A new ignition switch, BCM and a few hundred dollars later.... a few years later it did it again. But this time I started to search the internet because I knew of the recall on the Cobalts. Turns out you can defeat the anti theft system by installing a jumper/resistor in the ignition circuit wiring. So 30 cents later and an hour taking everything apart and putting it back together and the car runs fine. Besides who in the world is going to want to steal a 20 year old Saturn even if it looks brand new, has wide wheels and tires and a bunch of engine and exhaust mods....
 

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I’m not really excited about it anymore tbh, i don’t think i’m a fan of hybrid or electric cars anymore too because they’re really hard and expensive to maintenance, i remember a problem with my BMW I3 i charge it overnight and i at morning it didn't start up, i check the voltage on the battery and there was no voltage, my friend told me to check the charger, the charger was so hot with burning smell and damaged, the specialist told that i should change my electricity supplier. and i had to find another electricity supplier. I found usave to compare and find all the available suppliers in the area. I really miss engines loud sound and easy maintenance cars !!
 

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