For my rig, with 33x12.5s, go Rubicon suspension or other 2/2.5” lift (read thread)?

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This is [currently unnamed] (been thinking of a couple), my 2018 white JLU sport.

Current:
  • Method MR701's (17x8.5) w/ 33x12.5" Nitto Ridge Grapplers.
  • Removed bumper-fender trim pieces.
  • Removed air dam/plastic skid plate under front bumper.
Next (not necessarily in this order):
  • suspension, undecided
  • roof rails/basket, undecided
  • LED headlights, I like these Axials but maybe the KC Gravity Pros.
  • LED fog light replacement, diode dynamics (probably).
  • Front bumper, Quadratec stubby w/:
    • winch, probably quadratec
    • trail lights, KC or Hella probably
  • Rock sliders, I like these.
  • Soft top (maybe)
  • Many, many, many other various internal/external accessories.

Suspension (thoughts?): I'd like to keep the jeep low, I just want enough extra clearance over stock for the larger tires. I'm thinking springs/shocks not spacers because I'd like to improve performance as long as I'm doing it. Trying to decide if I want to do Rubicon take off or one of the 2/2.5" lifts.

Rails/basket: Just trying to decide between Rhino, Thule, and Yakima, which system works best for me.

Before:

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New wheels and tires going on:

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Not a great shot of the new wheels/tires, I’ll post a better “after pic” later.

I love the look though.
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This may be an unpopular opinion given the forum and many of its members but I’d just do the rubicon springs and shocks because they can be had cheap and are pretty easy to find. You can always change shocks later if you are and will be happy with staying that size. Building many times over isn’t advised unless you love spending money time and again on the same things.

I did the rubicon route as stage 1 (for a year while I planned my build) and loved the ride and it did great off-road plus kept mpg over 20 on the mixed highway commute. I wanted bigger for playing including axles so I took mine off and went metal cloak game changer but would do it again for my kids or wife for moderate wheeling. My son now has the rubicon tires and wheels on his JK. I didn’t like it at first because of the caster but spent the $70 on the mopar lift lower control arms and it was a joy to drive. The JL has tons of travel so you don’t have to lift it as high to fit those tires or have a good amount of flex to keep the tires down off-road. Here is one of my trips on the rubicon suspension and these aren’t even maxed out.

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This may be an unpopular opinion given the forum and many of its members but I’d just do the rubicon springs and shocks because they can be had cheap and are pretty easy to find. You can always change shocks later if you are and will be happy with staying that size. Building many times over isn’t advised unless you love spending money time and again on the same things.

I did the rubicon route as stage 1 (for a year while I planned my build) and loved the ride and it did great off-road plus kept mpg over 20 on the mixed highway commute. I wanted bigger for playing including axles so I took mine off and went metal cloak game changer but would do it again for my kids or wife for moderate wheeling. My son now has the rubicon tires and wheels on his JK. I didn’t like it at first because of the caster but spent the $70 on the mopar lift lower control arms and it was a joy to drive. The JL has tons of travel so you don’t have to lift it as high to fit those tires or have a good amount of flex to keep the tires down off-road. Here is one of my trips on the rubicon suspension and these aren’t even maxed out.

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Agree if you plan to stay 33s this is a good solution. Possibly throw a .75/.5” spacer on during installation. I bought mine with Mopar (so called 2”) lift and 33s and looked out of proportion. Needed at least 35s but I had plans to add Rubi flares and 37s anyway. Just wanted to show you Mopar lift and 33s for reference.
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This may be an unpopular opinion given the forum and many of its members but I’d just do the rubicon springs and shocks because they can be had cheap and are pretty easy to find. You can always change shocks later if you are and will be happy with staying that size. Building many times over isn’t advised unless you love spending money time and again on the same things.

I did the rubicon route as stage 1 (for a year while I planned my build) and loved the ride and it did great off-road plus kept mpg over 20 on the mixed highway commute. I wanted bigger for playing including axles so I took mine off and went metal cloak game changer but would do it again for my kids or wife for moderate wheeling. My son now has the rubicon tires and wheels on his JK. I didn’t like it at first because of the caster but spent the $70 on the mopar lift lower control arms and it was a joy to drive. The JL has tons of travel so you don’t have to lift it as high to fit those tires or have a good amount of flex to keep the tires down off-road. Here is one of my trips on the rubicon suspension and these aren’t even maxed out.

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Actually that looks great! I was thinking the same thing, go Rubi suspension while I figure out what I want to do... you can find them for so cheap that it almost seems like even if I decided I wanted something different after a month, it would still be worth it. I have a suspicion I'll like the Rubi suspension enough to keep it for a while though. Glad to hear the rid/off-road handling was good.

I've heard people on this forum say the same thing about the caster; if you get Rubicon take-off suspension to get the Mopar lower control arm and it greatly improves the ride and handling.
 
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Agree if you plan to stay 33s this is a good solution. Possibly throw a .75/.5” spacer on during installation. I bought mine with Mopar (so called 2”) lift and 33s and looked out of proportion. Needed at least 35s but I had plans to add Rubi flares and 37s anyway. Just wanted to show you Mopar lift and 33s for reference.
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Are those true 33's? I thought the stock Rubicon tires were supposed to be 33's, then I saw a set for sale online and the size was actually 285/70/17, which I guess is close enough to 33", I was just surprised (don't know why) that they weren't "true" 33's.

I'll probably stick with 33's, at least for a while. So far I really like them and I think they strike a good balance between size/practicality and capability, especially the 33x12.5 - these things are fat!

I actually like the look of that setup in your pics, lift + 33 looks good imo. I've been trying to figure this out but it's been hard to find exact info... Is the 2" Mopar lift a 2" lift for the sport or the rubicon? Because I thought the Rubicon already sat like an inch higher than the sport models, but the Mopar lift doesn't specify how much lift it will give for which model. If it's meant for sports then it seems like it would only be a 1" lift for Rubicons? I guess I'm really wondering how much "lift" the Rubi springs will give me, and if I decide to go with a 2" lift (like the Mopar) later will I notice that much difference. Thanks for the comments, yours looks great!
 

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Are those true 33's? I thought the stock Rubicon tires were supposed to be 33's, then I saw a set for sale online and the size was actually 285/70/17, which I guess is close enough to 33", I was just surprised (don't know why) that they weren't "true" 33's.

I'll probably stick with 33's, at least for a while. So far I really like them and I think they strike a good balance between size/practicality and capability, especially the 33x12.5 - these things are fat!

I actually like the look of that setup in your pics, lift + 33 looks good imo. I've been trying to figure this out but it's been hard to find exact info... Is the 2" Mopar lift a 2" lift for the sport or the rubicon? Because I thought the Rubicon already sat like an inch higher than the sport models, but the Mopar lift doesn't specify how much lift it will give for which model. If it's meant for sports then it seems like it would only be a 1" lift for Rubicons? I guess I'm really wondering how much "lift" the Rubi springs will give me, and if I decide to go with a 2" lift (like the Mopar) later will I notice that much difference. Thanks for the comments, yours looks great!
These were the 285/70/17 tires from a Rubicon. The mopar 2” lift if more like 3.5” on a Sport. The measurements listed is related to a Rubicon. I have added Rubi flares and added 37s. Here is pic for reference. A few other mods since then also :) don’t pay attention to the Rubicon hood decal - added take off hood and haven’t changed lettering yet :)

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I got a full 2” out of just the rubicon suspension and it was perfect for a 33” IMO. They came from a 2.0 hard top with tow package and were the highest number springs all way around. My Metalcloak 3.5 gave me more than that over the rubicon so I’m in the sky compared to stock. Here is a sport, rubi, MC front spring comparison and the growth of mine in boring flat driveway pics for comparison. The MC lift doesn’t really squat that much. It’s weird picture angle and that was before rock sliders, winch and bumper.

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She has been named! PEARL

Updates on Pearl... not a ton has been done to be honest but it feels like it's more personalized and starting to come together. Most notable upgrade iS the tire carrier. The 33x12.5s weigh a little over 100lbs and I was seeing a lot of wiggle coming from the spare (even after modifying the bump stops), and the tail gate would sag when opened so I wanted to get that taken care of - now it's super burly and I can add access (rotopax gas cans coming). I'll post some before/after of the tire carrier later.

Current:
  • Method MR701's (17x8.5) w/ 33x12.5" Nitto Ridge Grapplers
  • Removed bumper-fender trim pieces
  • Removed air dam/plastic skid plate under front bumper
  • Maximus-3 stand alone tire carrier added
  • KC Hilites Gravity Pro headlights
  • Diode Dynamics SS3 Pro fog lights - amber with the lenses removed gives a really nice white.
Plenty of other little things... stubby antenna, weather tech floor mats, tool bag (blue ridge), recovery gear, first aid kit, various other blue ridge goodies, lots of stickers.

Pearl in the wild:
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Oceano Dunes

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Gravity Pro headlights and stock fog lights (pre-Diode Dynamics).

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Mobbing around Anza-Borrego Dessert SP. DD fog lights installed. "Accidentally" doing Pinyon Mountain Trail and crushing it, only to find out about the Badge of Honor app from another Jeep halfway through the trail when I had no service :(

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Dope campsite in Tahoe National Forest

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Finally clean! Long awaited and needed hand washing to get in all those little crevices.

More to come! I'm about to pull the trigger on some sliders... very torn between White Knuckle and Westin step sliders. Will also do Westin skid plates in the near future.
 

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She has been named! PEARL

Updates on Pearl... not a ton has been done to be honest but it feels like it's more personalized and starting to come together. Most notable upgrade iS the tire carrier. The 33x12.5s weigh a little over 100lbs and I was seeing a lot of wiggle coming from the spare (even after modifying the bump stops), and the tail gate would sag when opened so I wanted to get that taken care of - now it's super burly and I can add access (rotopax gas cans coming). I'll post some before/after of the tire carrier later.

Current:
  • Method MR701's (17x8.5) w/ 33x12.5" Nitto Ridge Grapplers
  • Removed bumper-fender trim pieces
  • Removed air dam/plastic skid plate under front bumper
  • Maximus-3 stand alone tire carrier added
  • KC Hilites Gravity Pro headlights
  • Diode Dynamics SS3 Pro fog lights - amber with the lenses removed gives a really nice white.
Plenty of other little things... stubby antenna, weather tech floor mats, tool bag (blue ridge), recovery gear, first aid kit, various other blue ridge goodies, lots of stickers.

Pearl in the wild:
IMG_3782.JPEG

Oceano Dunes

IMG_3851.JPEG

Gravity Pro headlights and stock fog lights (pre-Diode Dynamics).

IMG_3873.JPEG
IMG_3875.JPEG
IMG_3876.JPEG

Mobbing around Anza-Borrego Dessert SP. DD fog lights installed. "Accidentally" doing Pinyon Mountain Trail and crushing it, only to find out about the Badge of Honor app from another Jeep halfway through the trail when I had no service :(

IMG_4068.jpeg
IMG_4468.JPEG

Dope campsite in Tahoe National Forest

IMG_4470.JPEG
IMG_4791.JPEG

Finally clean! Long awaited and needed hand washing to get in all those little crevices.

More to come! I'm about to pull the trigger on some sliders... very torn between White Knuckle and Westin step sliders. Will also do Westin skid plates in the near future.
Could you please tell me the offset of your wheel and tire package? I have a 2021 sport and I would like this look for my rig someday.
 

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She has been named! PEARL

Updates on Pearl... not a ton has been done to be honest but it feels like it's more personalized and starting to come together. Most notable upgrade iS the tire carrier. The 33x12.5s weigh a little over 100lbs and I was seeing a lot of wiggle coming from the spare (even after modifying the bump stops), and the tail gate would sag when opened so I wanted to get that taken care of - now it's super burly and I can add access (rotopax gas cans coming). I'll post some before/after of the tire carrier later.

Current:
  • Method MR701's (17x8.5) w/ 33x12.5" Nitto Ridge Grapplers
  • Removed bumper-fender trim pieces
  • Removed air dam/plastic skid plate under front bumper
  • Maximus-3 stand alone tire carrier added
  • KC Hilites Gravity Pro headlights
  • Diode Dynamics SS3 Pro fog lights - amber with the lenses removed gives a really nice white.
Plenty of other little things... stubby antenna, weather tech floor mats, tool bag (blue ridge), recovery gear, first aid kit, various other blue ridge goodies, lots of stickers.

Pearl in the wild:
IMG_3782.JPEG

Oceano Dunes

IMG_3851.JPEG

Gravity Pro headlights and stock fog lights (pre-Diode Dynamics).

IMG_3873.JPEG
IMG_3875.JPEG
IMG_3876.JPEG

Mobbing around Anza-Borrego Dessert SP. DD fog lights installed. "Accidentally" doing Pinyon Mountain Trail and crushing it, only to find out about the Badge of Honor app from another Jeep halfway through the trail when I had no service :(

IMG_4068.jpeg
IMG_4468.JPEG

Dope campsite in Tahoe National Forest

IMG_4470.JPEG
IMG_4791.JPEG

Finally clean! Long awaited and needed hand washing to get in all those little crevices.

More to come! I'm about to pull the trigger on some sliders... very torn between White Knuckle and Westin step sliders. Will also do Westin skid plates in the near future.
Just contact badge of honor and they will send you a badge even if you didn’t check in.
 
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Could you please tell me the offset of your wheel and tire package? I have a 2021 sport and I would like this look for my rig someday.
Long response but I thought I'd update after about a year of owning these wheels and tires....

They are Method MR701s, 17x8.5", +0mm offset, with 33x12.5" Nitto Ridge Grapplers.

MR701s are a new type of wheel from Method they call "bead grips". I wasn't sure if it was a gimmick but thought I'd give it a shot because Methods are great wheels, I liked the look, and didn't want bead locks (or faux bead locks). They WORK. I have a fairly wide and heavy tire for a 33, and have done crawly trails at 12psi and never had an issue and felt very secure and stable the entire time.

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The 0mm offset pushes the wheels away from the body slightly compared with stock, which I really liked the look of but you will get more spray/splatter. Due to the increased tire diameter and the offset, I was rubbing in front when turning the wheel to nearly full lock. I had to remove the air damn/trim piece that bridges the front fenders and bumpers, now no rubbing - just a few screws problem solved (I like the look without the trim piece better anyway).

MOSTLY no rubbing now... I get very slight rubbing on the rear fenders at full flex. I believe this is more due to the shape of the fender than clearance. The fender kind of arcs downward toward the ground with a cavity for the tire inside the fender. Because my wheels/tires are wider than stock and stick out farther from the jeep, at full flex they rub on this outside "arcing" edge of the fender (where all the plastic rivets are located). I'm sure you could fix this without lifting by either trimming the fender of getting aftermarket fenders. As it is now it's not an issue for me.

The other main issue you'll encounter with the 0 offset is that now your spare will sit farther from the tailgate than stock and the tire will no longer be in contact with the bump stops on the tailgate. You'll need to extend the bump stops to prevent excess movement from the spare (that can damage your tailgate) when going over bumps; this can be done simply and cheaply with some rubber tubing from a hardware store - great solution if your wheel/tire combo isn't too heavy.... I went with the widest tire I could get in a 33, which is fairly heavy (100+lbs, about 2x stock) and I was still getting a lot of wiggle from the spare and my tailgate sagged when I opened it. I now have a tire carrier that is super solid.

In summary I have to say I LOVE this wheel tire combo. Pearl is my DD (aside from a motorcycle) and my MPG has suffered but I think it's a good compromise with performance. After a year and 15,000+ miles I still have LOTS of tread left. I'm surprised by how much the on-road performance improved actually; wider tires, 0 offset, no lift, feels very planted on the road. My wife even commented how much better it feels on road trips going around high-speed/interstate/mountain road corners. When I air down even to half of road pressure... these things are like climbing shoes for the Jeep, SO much grip; I am still surprised and impressed every time I'm on trail.
 
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Just contact badge of honor and they will send you a badge even if you didn’t check in.
One of the guys I was on the trail with told me the same thing... I have emailed them probably about a dozen times in the last 6 months and have received no response :(
If you know a trick to getting their attention or a quicker response I'm all ears.
 

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One of the guys I was on the trail with told me the same thing... I have emailed them probably about a dozen times in the last 6 months and have received no response :(
If you know a trick to getting their attention or a quicker response I'm all ears.
It always worked for me. Sorry to her they haven’t been responsive
 
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