Patiently wait for 3.6L or secure the 2.0L?

[CorvZ061]

Yes, aware of all those things, but the difference is, I don’t care about cost.

The 2.0 is way more fun to drive than that boat-anchor minivan v6.

The boring ZF/850RE is not only heralded as one of the most superior hydraulic automatics, but it’s also not some cruddy Aisin with years of clutch recalls. Had Jeep offered a good manual transmission, I might have given the disappointing 3.6 another shot.

If you can’t drive a manual, just say so, nobody will hold it against you. I don’t care how good an auto is, it’s still boring and leaves you wishing you had control of gear selection, hint, you don’t unless the computer allows you to go to the gear you tell it you want.

Millions on 3.6’s out there in just about every Stellantis vehicle with a low percentage of failure. That speaks much louder than than some one on a forum that is biased against it for whatever reason. If it’s power you were after, why didn’t get you get a 392? That’s what you keep claiming as being the advantage over the 3.6.

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[NWJeepr]

If you can’t drive a manual, just say so, nobody will hold it against you. I don’t care how good an auto is, it’s still boring and leaves you wishing you had control of gear selection, hint, you don’t unless the computer allows you to go to the gear you tell it you want.

Millions on 3.6’s out there in just about every Stellantis vehicle with a low percentage of failure. That speaks much louder than than some one on a forum that is biased against it for whatever reason. If it’s power you were after, why didn’t get you get a 392? That’s what you keep claiming as being the advantage over the 3.6.

My other two cars have manual transmissions and I can also drive truck transmissions so you're barking up the wrong tree trying to attack me personally on that front. The 8-speed is an excellent automatic. I don't subscribe to the gearhead trog's tribalism that says I can't also enjoy automatics.

The 392 is fun. Why don't you have one?

 

[CorvZ061]

My other two cars have manual transmissions and I can also drive truck transmissions so you're barking up the wrong tree trying to attack me personally on that front. The 8-speed is an excellent automatic. I don't subscribe to the gearhead trog's tribalism that says I can't also enjoy automatics.

The 392 is fun. Why don't you have one?

Nice way to avoid the question. Can't afford it, that's ok too. As for me I wanted a manual trans, is the 392 offered that way? I didn't think so..

Have a great time with your compact car engine and your slush box. Just remember, I said both were good options and you claim only the 2.0 is a good option. You pointed out the "complexity" of the 3.6 but ignored the 2.0 IS more complex and got offended by that being pointed out. If you hate the 3.6, that's fine but not everyone shares your opinion, the statistics actually show the opposite. but hey, you do you.

You 2.0 fanboys are the worst

 

[WI_Sarge]

I was wondering when this thread would fall apart

2.0 fanboy

 

[Jay_NM]

You really need to drive both and decide. The biggest differences in these engines is manners. The 2.0 theoretically should be more prone to problems due to an entire ancillary system that the 3.6 doesn't have - problem is that the 3.6 has plenty of it's own issues so it's tough to say that one is more durable or reliable than the other. Really they're both not that great. The power differences at sea level are so minute that they nearly cancel out. It really comes down to refinement - the 3.6 is much better mannered, and how you prefer your power be delivered - smooth and linear (3.6) or just hold on one second ok here it comes HOLY SHIT (2.0). Unless you live at 5000ft plus altitude.

I choose the 3.6 almost completely on refinement. Had the 2.0 previously.

I live at 7,000’ elevation and have the 3.6 in my wrangler. There is no issue with power on the interstate and I routinely drive 80 mph with plenty of extra passing acceleration in reserve. And yes, the 3.6 delivers that power so smoothly, especially when paired with the 8 speed transmission.

 

[dstevens]

I’m gonna have to go ahead and assume you’re talking to hear yourself talk. I’ve seen the results of it, granted not in a Jeep, but it is very much a real thing.

No, it is because I actually know something about the topic, and want to correct some of the misinformation. Some people appreciate it. Some people don't. If you *genuinely* wish to learn something then I'll go ahead and explain how the MT vs AT would not make a difference. If not I'll be on my way.

 

[CorvZ061]

No, it is because I actually know something about the topic, and want to correct some of the misinformation. Some people appreciate it. Some people don't. If you *genuinely* wish to learn something then I'll go ahead and explain how the MT vs AT would not make a difference. If not I'll be on my way.

So for example, if cruising at 55 climbing a hill under heavy throttle. With a manual, if you stay in 6th that's a lot of load at a low rpm since a lot of people wont down shift and depending on turbo sizing can build a lot of boost, but the auto would downshift to a more appropriate gear, makes no difference? This I gotta hear. Go ahead and explain it Mr. Expert.

 

[Upnover]

I have had both, I pick which ever one I can get a good deal on, but the engine noise is one thing I don’t care too much on with the 4cyl. I have a 6 in my 4dr. My daughter has the 4 in her 2dr. But man 2drs are just fun to drive.

 

[TheRaven]

I live at 7,000’ elevation and have the 3.6 in my wrangler. There is no issue with power on the interstate and I routinely drive 80 mph with plenty of extra passing acceleration in reserve.

I agree...but there are many here who very strongly disagree and will argue like you just insulted their mother.

 

[dstevens]

This I gotta hear. Go ahead and explain it Mr. Expert.

Is it that hard to be civil to other people? If I was standing in front of you would you speak to me like this? That's why I qualified my offer with genuine, because I did not think you were. Before I depart, what's the difference between auto stick and the MT? Nothing. PCM has to cope with all driving conditions, so the AT can easily load up in the same way as the MT. LSPI is from the very early days of DI with the carbon deposits were so bad they were falling off into the CC and lighting off the mixture. Note that there have been no reports in the last dozen years, and mainstream DI has only really been around that long. Also consider that many, many other manufacturers offer a DI turbo with MT. There's a lot more to it than that, but I feel I'm wasting my time, Anyhow, so long.

 

[CorvZ061]

Is it that hard to be civil to other people? If I was standing in front of you would you speak to me like this?

Is it that hard to be civil to other people? If I was standing in front of you would you speak to me like this? That's why I qualified my offer with genuine, because I did not think you were. Before I depart, what's the difference between auto stick and the MT? Nothing. PCM has to cope with all driving conditions, so the AT can easily load up in the same way as the MT. LSPI is from the very early days of DI with the carbon deposits were so bad they were falling off into the CC and lighting off the mixture. Note that there have been no reports in the last dozen years, and mainstream DI has only really been around that long. There's a lot more to it than that, but I feel I'm wasting my time, Anyhow, so long.

I would, but it would be sarcasm which is hard to relay through text, my apologies

The auto stick has it's own algorithms, at least on the cars that I've had with auto's that prevented loading up the engine like that, it would force a downshift to keep it in a more happy rpm range. This all started when the manufacturers actually started acknowledging LSPI as being an issue. The old Speed3's and 6's seemed to be more prone to issues than modern cars, but I've seen some FA WRX's have failure that could be likely pointed back to it as well as a couple Focus ST's suffering detonation related failures. Is it as big of an issue as some message boards would have you believe? absolutely not. I've just never seen it happen with something that has an AT.

 

[dmaxw]

Absolutely love my ‘21 JLUR Rubicon w/ 2.0T. Did a 20 day road trip to the Canadian Arctic Ocean and all over Alaska last summer with a couple friends running same but with 3.6. My mileage was substantially better, I passed other vehicles easier, never once did I wish I had the 3.6. My only comment would be if you have an internal demand for a loud growling exhaust, the 2.0T probably isn’t for you. If you’re not caught up in the need to make people turn to see what noisemaker is coming down the road, then it’s perfect.

 

[DWR.]

To be real, I normally want a manual but the wrangler manual is trash. I test drove both the 3.6 and 2.0t, I’d take either if it came down to it, but the 2.0t is way better.

 

[wcjeep]

Test drive both as they currently sit on dealer lots. Be sure it's the right engine for you. I prefer the V6.

 

[ArmyRN]

Absolutely love my ‘21 JLUR Rubicon w/ 2.0T. Did a 20 day road trip to the Canadian Arctic Ocean and all over Alaska last summer with a couple friends running same but with 3.6. My mileage was substantially better, I passed other vehicles easier, never once did I wish I had the 3.6. My only comment would be if you have an internal demand for a loud growling exhaust, the 2.0T probably isn’t for you. If you’re not caught up in the need to make people turn to see what noisemaker is coming down the road, then it’s perfect.

They sell muffler deletes so you can make a lot of obnoxious noise if you want with your 2.0T.

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