All that is true. Jeep has to manage those trade-offs but part of me thinks it won't look good if the next Jeep doesn't have a Stick while the Bronco does. With the fierce rivalry between these two off-roaders, I can't imagine Jeep wants to concede this issue and give Bronco a "win" even if it means nothing, It will be a line in a commercial. just my opinion.
I think within a few months of this engine being available in the Ram that the Ecodiesel option will go away completely.
I mean I guess if your ok paying for Jeeps R&D go for it. Lol.. They've been building Jeeps forever and using the 6.4 in everything from pick up trucks, SUVs, to muscle cars. Its a staple engine. I doubt it takes much R&D to just reinforce a frame and install heavier suspension. To me it's not much more R&D then a 6.4 4x4 pick up truck.
It can also be had with a 2.97:1 1st gear, not super low but with 475ftlbs and factory 4.88's now available it would work well enough in my opinion. I think Stellantis is a big enough customer they could probably get tremec to build one with a lower 1st gear though?
A lower numerical ratio means a physically bigger gear to handle the torque input.
The scat pack can be had as a fairly stripped model and is still $46k. That's only $32k less than the 392. The 392 however comes pretty loaded. Add the auto trans, leather, technology group, etc to the scat to get it equipped the same and now it's $60k+. $18k for a full frame, 4 wheel drive, etc isn't all that unreasonable anymore? It's still comparing apples and oranges, but at least they are similarly equipped fruits.
Since Bronco offers a granny box they should keep up and not settle for “well enough” crawler gear and keep higher gear ratio for hwy mpg is optimal. If they are willing to accept the cost to be competitive?
Bronco only offers that on their least powerful engine. Jeep doesn't need to "keep up". As hard as Ford tried, they are still playing catch up. Especially if you want to talk about rock crawling. The Bronco has no articulation and even with the crawl gear has a higher crawl ratio than a Rubicon with 4.88's. Gearing is about torque multiplication, I'll take a 55:1 crawl ratio with a tremec and 500 ftlbs in a jeep over 94:1 and 300 ftlbs in a Bronco any day, but maybe that's just me? Of course if you throw the auto behind the new 3.0t and you get the crawl ratio and the power.
I get what you're saying. Prices of everything have gone up since I paid $38k for my Scat Pack. And fully loaded ones are more money. But man I still think $80k for a Jeep is hard to swallow. And you are correct they definitely get you with the fully loaded package only. How much is a 6.4 Ram these days? I haven't looked. Shouldn't be more then that. I did wish Jeep would offer a less interior optioned less expensive 392. But with the 392 being on its last legs and on its way out unfortunately it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
If you price out a power wagon with the level 3 equipment group, off road group, and safety group to get the most apples to apples comparison to the Wrangler 392 it works out to ~$77k I guess that's just the price point for a 4wd, 392 equipped, off road beast with lockers, sway bar disco, rock rails, AND luxury creature comforts from the factory? Of course that's base model trx territory and if I was spending $80k on another truck that's where my money would go.
A power wagon is a lot more Truck then a Jeep I would say with a massive amount of towing capability. It's a much larger vehicle. Even just in Materials alone there's a lot more metal materials through out the longer length of the entire truck.
IFS-will never = , I believe an upgrade to a stouter granny box is overdue and would be a welcomed upgrade. They claim they listen and want to give us what we ask for so let’s make noise, Maybe, Might, Possibly pay attention?I know-Good Luck.
