Official EPA Fuel Economy For 2020 Jeep Wrangler Ecodiesel: 22/29/25 MPG

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I don't care if it has a lifetime higher cost. I would not be getting a diesel to save money. It is all about range. I want to increase my backcountry range as much as possible. The diesel does that. Add an AUX tank, maybe a large OEM tank replacement, and the range would cover just about anything in the lower 48. Then, as I'm sure someone will say, just add Jerry Cans. Yep, and thus increase my diesel range even further.

Just waiting on the official real world owner driven reviews and the availability in the JT.
Yes. I watched some YouTube videos of Australians dropping extended tanks and back up tanks in their overland vehicles then going Wheeling for days workout worrying about fuel.





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Then you'll find yourself sucking soot any time you are 'wheelin'. Diesel soot is a carcinogen, not to mention just being nasty to smell/breathe. Although particulates from DI gas engines are potentially even more dangerous, and the U.S.-spec 2.0L has no particulate filter.

The 3.6, being port-injected, is actually fine in terms of particulate emissions. As is the diesel, assuming you haven't ripped out the DPF!

You could just start smoking two packs a day, then you could be pretty sure the cigs would kill you before your DPF-deleted diesel Wrangler would.
Dont care. I've worked around my diesels I've owned since 2000. The exhaust smells better from a diesel. Your eyes don't water and burn from the diesel exhaust. When was the last time, or anytime, someone died from inhaling diesel exhaust. Would I purposefully inhale the fumes? No. But when I do, I don't wet my panties and call poison control. As for the DPF, yank it, and crank it. Your engine will love you for it. Screw the Draconian EPA.

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Great work.. Can we have a copy?

If so I will add the socialist country of Kalifornia $ into the spreadsheet and reshare..

I have a 3.6 and I run 91 octane all the time due to the high compression and it adds quite the spunk into the driving dynamics.. So gas here is closer to $4.50 per/gal.. and 13MPG is the best I ever seen on 37" and 16 MPG on stock 32 bfg..
I didn't even save it. But it's fairly simple math. 12000 miles divided by 16 MPG x $4.50 a gallon = 3,375 a year. Or with your 37s it is 4,153. You also have to consider that I'm sure that Diesel is more expensive in CA too. But it looks like the Diesel would pay for itself much quicker in your situation.
 

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Great work.. Can we have a copy?

If so I will add the socialist country of Kalifornia $ into the spreadsheet and reshare..

I have a 3.6 and I run 91 octane all the time due to the high compression and it adds quite the spunk into the driving dynamics.. So gas here is closer to $4.50 per/gal.. and 13MPG is the best I ever seen on 37" and 16 MPG on stock 32 bfg..

$4.50? Get gas guru. You can find it for $3.50 and less in LA and the Bay lately.
 

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Dont care. I've worked around my diesels I've owned since 2000. The exhaust smells better from a diesel. Your eyes don't water and burn from the diesel exhaust. When was the last time, or anytime, someone died from inhaling diesel exhaust. Would I purposefully inhale the fumes? No. But when I do, I don't wet my panties and call poison control. As for the DPF, yank it, and crank it. Your engine will love you for it. Screw the Draconian EPA.

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Is this a joke?
 

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For me I could care less about the cost to be honest....newer Jeeps are expensive....it's all that torque to turn big tires without having to swap in a hemi or a LS for 30k+. I just need @Rock Krawler Suspension to snatch one up and put some 40's on it and see how she does!
I called an talked to them when I ordered mine 10/17 he told me they ordered theirs 10/16 so it’s coming
 

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For me I could care less about the cost to be honest....newer Jeeps are expensive....it's all that torque to turn big tires without having to swap in a hemi or a LS for 30k+. I just need @Rock Krawler Suspension to snatch one up and put some 40's on it and see how she does!
I’m going straight to 38s and Bead Locks so we will se how it does
 

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I didn't even save it. But it's fairly simple math. 12000 miles divided by 16 MPG x $4.50 a gallon = 3,375 a year. Or with your 37s it is 4,153. You also have to consider that I'm sure that Diesel is more expensive in CA too. But it looks like the Diesel would pay for itself much quicker in your situation.
Thanks, looks like I can cool my temptations, I just saw the 3.0 0-60 times by motor trend (8.5 0-60), I expected the 3.0 would be a dog in the acceleration department, based on my numerous diesel experiences and my gut was right.. the 3.6 is much quicker, I routinely high 6's to low 7's depending on gear and occupants. Unless you load it up with tons of weight, but that is not my style, I like to keep it light, nimble, and quick..

so I can now say (to myself)..

For me and where I go (sierras) 3.0 diesel and 2.0 would - are bad choices due to weight, complexity.. I like the MPG and the extra torque, but I don't really need it with the areas I go to.. I know there those tuners etc.. but I don't have time to mess with it, spend hard earned $ on it.. its plenty fast enough for this old guy.. and it will turn all 4 37's on granite at 900 rpm while standing on its nose or rear end trying to climb the most extreme stuff.. so the torque argument does not fly either due the 70:1 and the auto torque multiplication factors..

But it was a fun dream and fantasy while it lasted...

Now back to my real love.. Hemi..


If i go off reservation (no more lifetime warrenty) I am going all in as the Lite bright team did..

Keep it simple.. keep it quick..

Have a great Christmas!

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@TCogs1 I agree with you, but I am tempted by that torque. I drove a Diesel Land Cruiser overseas and it was an absolute delight. It wasn't quick, but it was still fun. But I still think that why it was so much fun was the 5 spd manual. I think that I will wait and see how people who have already pulled the trigger for this engine fare with it. If they are getting 23 MPG with 37s and most folks only get 14 or so with the 3.6.... I might have to reconsider. I had planned on buying the Diesel back when it was first announced as a definite that it would be built. I only bought my 3.6 after looking into the issues that the past 3.0 had in the Ram.
 

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I don't care if it has a lifetime higher cost. I would not be getting a diesel to save money. It is all about range. I want to increase my backcountry range as much as possible. The diesel does that. Add an AUX tank, maybe a large OEM tank replacement, and the range would cover just about anything in the lower 48. Then, as I'm sure someone will say, just add Jerry Cans. Yep, and thus increase my diesel range even further.

Just waiting on the official real world owner driven reviews and the availability in the JT.
I thought I read that the fuel tank was smaller on the diesel. If so, that may not be as much of a benefit for backcountry wheeling. Add in the issues of not being able to get good regen cycle in and it may actually be Worse. I have always wanted a Diesel Wrangler, but I am a little weary of this for now until it has been proven in this application. Unfortunately with the JL I think there was a lot of cost saving measures taken to boost profits (maybe knowing they were seeking a merger) and I just am a little gun shy with new engine that has the added complications that a new diesel has with the current regulations. As someone who is on their 3rd JL I can say with certainty that qc does not seem to be a main focus from what I have personally seen.

I hope it is what everyone has been waiting for, and I hope it is an amazing engine that has amazing range. Just not sure until I see some real world applications in a dedicated off-road scenario. May end up like the 2.0 bsg in the Rubicon. It's a great motor, but real world off-road they decided it was not a good option for a Rubicon.
 

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Correct.

Diesel is 18.3 gal versus the gassers 21.5 gal
That's what I thought, with that, you are not really going to get all that much more range off-road and with the regen cycles, you may be in worse shape overall.
 

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Finally! Finally we can put exact numbers in our various calculations and algorithms proving how the diesel has a higher total cost of ownership than the petrol engines. Truly, a red letter day.
What are the differences on what they are worth in 5, 10, 15+ years. Often diesels have a high value due to their longevity.
This is essential to "total cost of ownership."
 

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What are the differences on what they are worth in 5, 10, 15+ years. Often diesels have a high value due to their longevity.
This is essential to "total cost of ownership."
With full size trucks, yes. But FCA’s light duty diesel doesn’t hold the same value as those.

Example:

2014 Grand Cherokee Overland 4WD with 60,000 miles (NADA retail)


3.6: $20,825

3.0: $21,500 (originally a $4,500 option)

5.7: $21,725 (originally a $3,195 option)

In this case, the diesel only retained 15% of its original value.
 
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Good luck to anyone that buys one of these. Sticking a problem-plagued Italian diesel into a FCA-engineered vehicle that has to be CA emissions compliant sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I had a Touareg TDI, so I can see the appeal of monster torque+range, but modern diesel emissions systems just aren't build for short drives. Even though my VW's DEF system was usually 'cheating' itself off, it was still frequently in regen mode burning off the soot in the particulate filter.

You'll quickly discover that all of the benefits of the diesel powertrain go out the window during regen; torque plummets and fuel consumption soars. If that happens while you are trying to traverse difficult terrain, it could be downright dangerous. Not to mention that all those sensors in the emissions system are constantly breaking due to soot buildup, potentially putting your vehicle into 'limp mode' at the worst time.

Guise, the writing is on the wall with this one. Don't say you weren't warned!
you are correct sir... I’ve owned a few modern diesels and they have ALL been problematic. The diesels of old are no more!
 

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