No more 392?

[Captain Skip]

Come driver your EV in northern New England during a blizzard that shuts down the highway...with you on it in your vehicle...for 8 to 12 hours. Let me know how long your battery keeps you warm and still lets you drive off the road on your own.

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[JABCAT]

Not unexpected but saw this article and it confirms the 392 is dead.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/23/jeep-the-v8-is-dead/amp/

It actually didn't say anything about the 392 being dead. This is what's bad about poor internet sources & re-posting them. Nowhere in the original article (https://www.motorauthority.com/news...-tbd-performance-v-8s-dead-for-grand-cherokee) does the Stallantis Rep (Jim Morrison) say there will be no more Wrangler 392. Nor does he confirm that the 392 will not be available in the Gladiator, he says "I don't think it will..."

People need to learn to find and read the actual source material & properly quote it.

 

[Stuckinthesand]

It actually didn't say anything about the 392 being dead. This is what's bad about poor internet sources & re-posting them. Nowhere in the original article (https://www.motorauthority.com/news...-tbd-performance-v-8s-dead-for-grand-cherokee) does the Stallantis Rep (Jim Morrison) say there will be no more Wrangler 392. Nor does he confirm that the 392 will not be available in the Gladiator, he says "I don't think it will..."

People need to learn to find and read the actual source material & properly quote it.

Please read post #7 with the article linked.


“In the Motor Authority interview, Morrison provided a very clear picture of the future of Jeep powertrains. Morrison told Motor Authority that V8s are dead in performance Jeeps, and there are no clear plans on how to proceed with the Trackhawk nameplate.”

 

[JABCAT]

Please read post #7 with the article linked.


“In the Motor Authority interview, Morrison provided a very clear picture of the future of Jeep powertrains. Morrison told Motor Authority that V8s are dead in performance Jeeps, and there are no clear plans on how to proceed with the Trackhawk nameplate.”

Please read the actual article from Motor Authority that I provided, he says no such thing.

 

[Stuckinthesand]

Please read the actual article from Motor Authority that I provided, he says no such thing.

Here is the article dated after your article where it in fact was said.

https://www.motor1.com/news/581642/jeep-wagoneer-4xe-hybrid/

 

[AnnDee4444]

The full quote:

"Morrison told Motor Authority that V8s are dead in performance Jeeps, and there are no clear plans on how to proceed with the Trackhawk nameplate.​

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Instead, the focus for Jeep is on the expansion of the 4xe nameplate. Morrison told Motor Authority that both the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer with receive 4xe trims by 2025."​

Looks to me like they're talking about the Trackhawks and Wagoneers.

 

[Noway]

we'll know for sure mid June.

 

[JABCAT]

Here is the article dated after your article where it in fact was said.

https://www.motor1.com/news/581642/jeep-wagoneer-4xe-hybrid/

You seem to be confused. The Motor 1 article is incorrectly quoting the Motor Authority article. The Motor Authority article is the "source material". The Motor 1 Article clearly says at the bottom "Source: Motor Authority".

 

[Stuckinthesand]

The full quote:

"Morrison told Motor Authority that V8s are dead in performance Jeeps, and there are no clear plans on how to proceed with the Trackhawk nameplate.​

​

Instead, the focus for Jeep is on the expansion of the 4xe nameplate. Morrison told Motor Authority that both the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer with receive 4xe trims by 2025."​

Looks to me like they're talking about the Trackhawks and Wagoneers.

I would agree except for the fact that as mentioned by another poster the 392 line is being shut down. As others have and I agree once whatever is in inventory is sold it’s gone. They’ve already shut off new orders for 22.

 

[balucipher]

Come driver your EV in northern New England during a blizzard that shuts down the highway...with you on it in your vehicle...for 8 to 12 hours. Let me know how long your battery keeps you warm and still lets you drive off the road on your own.

probably a lot longer than a tank of gas tbh, uses very little energy sitting there especially when equipped with a heat pump

actually I looked it up, why not:


How does this all play out practically? Let’s take for example an EV with a resistive heater, like the Volkswagen e-Golf. It is a small car with a small battery, and a small cabin to heat. Because of its resistive heating elements, all heat generated for the cabin costs the same regardless of whether or not the vehicle is moving. Drivers report approximately 1.5-2.5 kW of heater draw in outside temperatures from 35 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit. With 50% charge on a 32kWh battery, that translates to between 6.5-10.5 hours of heat on a 15-35 degree day; double that on a full charge.

But what about a modern EV with a bigger battery and better heating options, such as heated seats?

Enter the Tesla Model 3. For 2021, Tesla switched from resistive heating to a heat pump. Drivers report greatly improved efficiency when it comes to heating their cars. One user slept in his Model 3 and ran metrics on it overnight in sub-freezing weather, finding the battery consumed 1.36kW per hour, on average. For a Tesla with a 80kWh battery, this means you could sit in your Tesla nice and toasty for almost 59 hours on a full charge, or about 29 hours on a half charge.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/cold-weather-idling-in-an-ev

So who's got the next idiotic FUD about EVs to discredit.

 

[Naylia]

probably a lot longer than a tank of gas tbh, uses very little energy sitting there especially when equipped with a heat pump

actually I looked it up, why not:


How does this all play out practically? Let’s take for example an EV with a resistive heater, like the Volkswagen e-Golf. It is a small car with a small battery, and a small cabin to heat. Because of its resistive heating elements, all heat generated for the cabin costs the same regardless of whether or not the vehicle is moving. Drivers report approximately 1.5-2.5 kW of heater draw in outside temperatures from 35 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit. With 50% charge on a 32kWh battery, that translates to between 6.5-10.5 hours of heat on a 15-35 degree day; double that on a full charge.

But what about a modern EV with a bigger battery and better heating options, such as heated seats?

Enter the Tesla Model 3. For 2021, Tesla switched from resistive heating to a heat pump. Drivers report greatly improved efficiency when it comes to heating their cars. One user slept in his Model 3 and ran metrics on it overnight in sub-freezing weather, finding the battery consumed 1.36kW per hour, on average. For a Tesla with a 80kWh battery, this means you could sit in your Tesla nice and toasty for almost 59 hours on a full charge, or about 29 hours on a half charge.

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/cold-weather-idling-in-an-ev

So who's got the next idiotic FUD about EVs to discredit.

Or you could idle your gas engine, get a foot of snow, clog your tail pipe, and die....

 

[AnnDee4444]

fact that as mentioned by another poster

Yeah...a post on a forum or a poorly written article ≠ fact.

Have another source for the end of the 392 production line?

 

[pfletcher229648]

Girls, girls, you’re both pretty…

I’m not sure what the big deal and all the fuss is about, I like things that move. I like two door sports cars that go fast and corner on a rail, I like trucks/jeeps that can roll over anything, I like a nice 4 door sedan that can cruise at highway speeds and feel like you are floating on a cloud. Who cares what some reporter said in a article. Nobody fact checks any more. The type it and hit send. I’ve probably done more proof reading of this post than most reporters do nowadays.

I don’t give a rip whether it’s v6 or v8, or electric, hell give me a 4 cyl turbo, as long as the engineers took into consideration the function and use of the vehicle, they all work. Do I like the throaty sound of a well tuned v8 or v6 yep, do I like the head snapping torque of an electric motor, yep.

The facts are v8s aren’t going anywhere soon as long as demand is there. The current push toward EV is more political than anything else, that can easily be reversed. The car manufacturers just have to be able to plan for increasing MPG standards.

As has been stated previously, our electric grid can’t take all of us owning electric cars today. It will probably take 50+ years to even make that happen. Will EV continue to make gains in popularity and use, I think so. There are many people who drive one or two butts to work or the grocery store and back, EV works great for that. Every night you plugin and have full tank in the morning, you don’t even think about having to go to the gas station. I have an electric/battery powered mower and I love it. I haven’t had to lug a gas can to a station for 3 years.

EV does present an interesting take on running out of gas. I remember being a poor college student and on many occasions it was I’ve got $10 to last the whole weekend, so I’ll put $3 in the tank and save the rest for beer. Well one would end up running out of gas and walking to the nearest station to get a gallon. How’s that gonna work with EV, yikes. Not sure I have a battery big enough that I can carry like a can of gas.

It will all work out and we will still enjoy our vehicles.

 

[Stuckinthesand]

Yeah...a post on a forum or a poorly written article ≠ fact.

Have another source for the end of the 392 production line?

https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/dodge-cancelling-hemi-v8/

You really think they are only going to make a 392 for the Wrangler only? They wouldn't make any money on that and is out of the question. After 2023 you will not be able to get a 392 in any FCA vehicle.

 

[JABCAT]

https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/dodge-cancelling-hemi-v8/

You really think they are only going to make a 392 for the Wrangler only? They wouldn't make any money on that and is out of the question. After 2023 you will not be able to get a 392 in any FCA vehicle.

Point to any factual information in that article that direct quotes any Dodge/Stallantis representative.

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