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Keep in mind that your Rubicon is equivalent to a fairly hardcore rig just 20 years ago. 33’s and lockers were better than 99% and if you were running 35’s you were a 1%’er.

Prior to 2003, no Jeep had lockers or tires over 30” from the factory.

When the Rubicon came out in 2003 it put a lot of built rigs to shame. Most guys back then ran a lift but no lockers. Only a small percentage were hardcore enough to spend the money that dual ARB’s cost. Then the Rubicon comes along and all of the sudden everyone has lockers....you had to....or a soccer mom in a Rubicon was going to make you look ridiculous.

I’ve owned a dozen Jeeps in my life, and when my newly ordered JL Rubicon comes in, I won’t touch a thing on it.
Not gonna lie. Your 1%er comment made me feel good about my TJ.

But, I now have a JLUR...because road driving matters we well.





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Not gonna lie. Your 1%er comment made me feel good about my TJ.

But, I now have a JLUR...because road driving matters we well.
The stock JLUR is extremely capable, even a stock Sport JL can handle quite a bit. There is probably a line you cross where you're adding more capabilities to the vehicle then you actually need or use. if I were to do everything over again, I would have just gotten a JLUR and left it stock (or tried to).

After my suspension upgrade, I will basically have a Rubicon without lockers, beefy axles, and lower gear ratio. I'm still about $4K under what I would have paid for a JLUR with the options I would want. It works great on moderate trails which is mostly what I do.
 

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The stock JLUR is extremely capable, even a stock Sport JL can handle quite a bit. There is probably a line you cross where you're adding more capabilities to the vehicle then you actually need or use. if I were to do everything over again, I would have just gotten a JLUR and left it stock (or tried to).

After my suspension upgrade, I will basically have a Rubicon without lockers, beefy axles, and lower gear ratio. I'm still about $4K under what I would have paid for a JLUR with the options I would want. It works great on moderate trails which is mostly what I do.
Having wheeled in beater xj's, any stock jeep is capable. If you are willing to accept body damage and dragging the jeep over obstacles you'd be amazed what you can do on open diffs and stock components. When we decided to buy and wheel a JLU, there is a whole different set of factors involved. It is the wife's daily, so broken parts and body damage are to be avoided. We kept the JLUR stock for the first year, but still ran some difficult rated trails. Dragging the undercarriage, a few scrapes on the rock rails, etc were the norm. When we decided to make our first ever moab trip, a 2.5" spacer lift and 37's went on soley for the clearance they provide. Never once needed more capability than the stock jeep had, but the clearance was mandatory. There were ledges on top of the world that are simply too tall for a stock jeep. Not intrested in stacking rocks or damaging bumpers and fenders. I have no doubt the jeep would make it through the toughest trails, Fordyce or Pritchett canyon come to mind, but we aren't ready to risk the likely trail damage just yet. As satisfying as it is to get an under built rig through a tough trail, at my age I'll stick with the peace of mind of being over built.
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Having wheeled in beater xj's, any stock jeep is capable. If you are willing to accept body damage and dragging the jeep over obstacles you'd be amazed what you can do on open diffs and stock components. When we decided to buy and wheel a JLU, there is a whole different set of factors involved. It is the wife's daily, so broken parts and body damage are to be avoided. We kept the JLUR stock for the first year, but still ran some difficult rated trails. Dragging the undercarriage, a few scrapes on the rock rails, etc were the norm. When we decided to make our first ever moab trip, a 2.5" spacer lift and 37's went on soley for the clearance they provide. Never once needed more capability than the stock jeep had, but the clearance was mandatory. There were ledges on top of the world that are simply too tall for a stock jeep. Not intrested in stacking rocks or damaging bumpers and fenders. I have no doubt the jeep would make it through the toughest trails, Fordyce or Pritchett canyon come to mind, but we aren't ready to risk the likely trail damage just yet. As satisfying as it is to get an under built rig through a tough trail, at my age I'll stick with the peace of mind of being over built.
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All good points... It really depends on the level of trail you're attempting. My next jeep will probably be able to handle more difficult trails but as it stand now, it's more capable then I am :D
 

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The stock JLUR is extremely capable, even a stock Sport JL can handle quite a bit. There is probably a line you cross where you're adding more capabilities to the vehicle then you actually need or use. if I were to do everything over again, I would have just gotten a JLUR and left it stock (or tried to).

After my suspension upgrade, I will basically have a Rubicon without lockers, beefy axles, and lower gear ratio. I'm still about $4K under what I would have paid for a JLUR with the options I would want. It works great on moderate trails which is mostly what I do.
Totally agree. I will be testing the Rubi this Saturday (hitting trail just less than a week from leaving the dealer). I am betting it will do most of the things my TJ could. This time, I am building bottom up. Skids, bumpers, winch...but I know myself. I will be on 37s pretty soon. Thinking of a budget boost while I research what I want in a lift.
 

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JLUR pretty unstoppable stock. No lift lift and 37s and I was able to drag myself all over marble falls
 

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Yeah...the side hilling wasn't good with Boggers though....If you grooved them they were okay...and I've done that to several sets of tires (grooving/siping irons are cheap).

I've always been partial to the look of these....

https://www.intercotire.com/tire/126

Never ran a set but the ones I've seen on the trail worked well and looked fantastic.

Just sucks they have such limited rim sizes as well as heights. A 37x9.5 to 11" wide on a 17" rim would be badass.
I've become a big fan of SSRs. Always loved the look of Thornbirds but they turned out to be awful tires. Running 38x15.5 SSRs on my old Ram and it drives better than it ever has
 

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I've become a big fan of SSRs. Always loved the look of Thornbirds but they turned out to be awful tires. Running 38x15.5 SSRs on my old Ram and it drives better than it ever has
Out here the radial Swampers just don't last. The Pitbull radials seem to have better sidewalls.
 

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Out here the radial Swampers just don't last. The Pitbull radials seem to have better sidewalls.
I definitely wouldn't argue with your off-road experience. I'm happy to report that the SSRs have great road manners for those who, for whatever reason, mainly DD their Jeeps
 

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I definitely wouldn't argue with your off-road experience. I'm happy to report that the SSRs have great road manners for those who, for whatever reason, mainly DD their Jeeps
And I wasn't busting your balls....

The SSRs were pretty good in terms of traction, but the sidewalls would rip out on some of our trails that are known for eating up tires (mostly west valley trails....up near Table Mesa where the rocks are a lot sharper than the east valley stuff).


I've actually been super impressed with the PBRRs on our Jeep. I plan on putting them on my 4Runner when it gets built too. Anything that I'd drive long distances on the highway with, I'm pretty sold on the PBRRs....just wish they had more sizes. Jumping from 37s to 41.5s is kinda stupid IMO.
 

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The first time my wife took hers off roading, we were in a group of about eight. There were a couple of bone stock sport models.

When she took the off-roading 101 class at Rausch Creek, there were also bone stock sport models. Granted, we were on green Trails, however they did not have a problem at all. In our part of the country we list trails in colors not numbers. Green blue black red. There were a couple of people who took their unlifted ones on Blue Trails. However, they had had some off-road experience prior.
 

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stock JLUR with 35's are just fine. Just pick the right line and have a spotter if you need. the JLUR is a beast and I am impressed with what it can do off road. add a good Diff skid plate front and back and have a blast
 

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I have a Rubicon with 35’s and no lift. I also installed the AAL fender bracket and removed the inner fender liner. This gives me several inches for the front tires. I haven’t decided if I will do that for the rear. I go offroading, but not rock crawling so it may not really matter to me.
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