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I was ready to and was expecting to do some fender work to make my combination work based on many of the things I (and likely you) have read. However, on the trails that I’ve done, Miners gulch being the most strenuous, I have had zero rubbing and I have been very flexed out. In all honesty, I can’t tell you I was fully flexed as I have lead all the trips I’ve been on so getting documented evidence of flex has been tough (cameras start at vehicle 2). That being said, we drove over some narly rocks and went down some fun flexy ruts and haven’t heard a rub yet... and note that I have no doors or top on so we would have heard or felt it.

KMC KM717 with 0 offset... 315/75 17 KO2s Fully disconnected and aired down...

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Very helpful, including the detail about airing down, thanks.
I can't answer for aphillips76, but I'm also running 35s with no lift and can verify that there is zero rubbing with my setup. At full flex, there's about 1/8" of clearance between the tire and the fender well in the front and back. I'm running American Outlaw Lonestar 17x8.5 wheels with a +10 offset and Milestar Patagonia 315/70R17 tires. Here's a pic at full flex - as you can see, it's close, but there is zero contact, at least when aired down to 15psi. I've never run a rough trail fully aired up, so I'll add that as a caveat - it might rub if you don't air down.

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hmm. Does aired down matter? If you air down the top of the tire still has most of the air while the bottom might flex more... I guesss it would matter because aired up, there is some ballooning that goes on which may make it bigger than when aired down... although with belts, that is probably minor..

Either way, I now get it. Answered my own question :)
 

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hmm. Does aired down matter? If you air down the top of the tire still has most of the air while the bottom might flex more... I guesss it would matter because aired up, there is some ballooning that goes on which may make it bigger than when aired down... although with belts, that is probably minor..

Either way, I now get it. Answered my own question :)
Beats me, but in the interest of providing complete information, I figured I'd add that detail. I just haven't tested it since I'm already aired down on any trail where I'm going to be stuffing that tire all the way into the fender.
 

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Beats me, but in the interest of providing complete information, I figured I'd add that detail. I just haven't tested it since I'm already aired down on any trail where I'm going to be stuffing that tire all the way into the fender.
Me too. I’m old enough that 15 minutes added to either end of my trail run is worth it for comfort.
 

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You guys have given me hope on aftermarket rims and tires on stock suspension, thanks!
 

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A JLUR is a bit of overkill for the San Juans. Did Blackbear in an old '71 FJ 4 door, 3sp no synchro 1st gear. Making 3&4 point reversing turns coming down those switchbacks with no power assisted brakes nor power steering was what I call adventure. Then proceeded on over to Imogene. Had to back that FJ all the way up last switchback on west side to reach summit. FJ couldn't make the long steep climb going forward due to fuel pump, carburetor limitations; had to get the gas tank uphill of engine..... Long before that Toyota, I drove a '61 3 door, 2wd Ford crew cab in line six over Imogene. Had a 4 Spd shift on the column with a no synch granny gear. A know-it-all type had just passed by me coming up this little hike to 13,400 telling his companions that a 2wd had never made it to the top of "eye"mogene. Then, as I snapped this shot, I overheard him advocating liberal politics, .... decided that pointing out my 2wd pickup parked below would be pointless. So, a JLUR driver saying he did Blackbear is kinda like saying he drove the Kansas Turnpike using higher gears. I get a kick from seeing disconnected, open diff $800 XJs with 250k on the clock doing Golden Spike.

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hmm. Does aired down matter? If you air down the top of the tire still has most of the air while the bottom might flex more... I guesss it would matter because aired up, there is some ballooning that goes on which may make it bigger than when aired down... although with belts, that is probably minor..

Either way, I now get it. Answered my own question :)
No, airing down makes a MAJOR difference in overall diameter....obviously the largest part of that is the loaded radius, but the top half shrinks markedly as well. Depends on the specific tire and its construction as to how much.
 

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You guys have given me hope on aftermarket rims and tires on stock suspension, thanks!
I’m seeing how i do with stock tires and rims for awhile. Next step would be to swap to a bit more aggressive rubber but I don’t want to go to 33s as I think they look off without a small lift. My next step will be 265/70-17, ideally would go to about a -6 offset to get a hair wider stance but may try the stock sport s rims first. Have put together a bunch of safety and recovery stuff, now just waiting on the national forests to open back up.
 

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The "always wheel with another vehicle" is like telling people not to drive remote roads alone. A blow out in a corner, failed tire rod, etc. is just as likely to leave you stranded on road in the middle of no where. Harsh environments, like snow, definitely call for a 2nd vehicle. Basic survival skills, water, some emergency rations, there's not a trail I've been on that either the wife or I (if one of us were injured) couldn't walk out of. For some of us the jeep is a means of getting away from people. People backpack in remote locations and yet the "experts" tell you not to drive out into the woods alone? Go prepared (much easier to do in a vehicle as you aren't carrying all your gear), do what you are comfortable with, but feel like your enjoyment of the outdoors is dependent on someone else.
I have a weird work schedule that rarely meshes well with my friends’ days off. I’m by myself more often than not and just travel with a Garmin InReach. Cheap insurance.
 

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I have a JLUR 2020, This is my 5th wrangler. I like it to be almost stock. I have added a LOD Signature Mid Width Bumper with a Smittybilt Gen 3 12000 lb. winch (use it for many things besides wheeling). I put a Teleflex 1.5" Leveling Spacer Kit on it which adds 2 inches to the front and 1 inch to the rear and longer suspension bumpers. I like a little taller and narrow tire so I used 285-75-17 KO2 Goodrich that work great in north west Florida when aired down for our mud down here. They are 33.9 inches tall with an overall width of 11.2 inches on stock Rubi wheels. Its my daily driver and this set up works great on the road and in the forest.
 

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I have a JLUR 2020, This is my 5th wrangler. I like it to be almost stock. I have added a LOD Signature Mid Width Bumper with a Smittybilt Gen 3 12000 lb. winch (use it for many things besides wheeling). I put a Teleflex 1.5" Leveling Spacer Kit on it which adds 2 inches to the front and 1 inch to the rear and longer suspension bumpers. I like a little taller and narrow tire so I used 285-75-17 KO2 Goodrich that work great in north west Florida when aired down for our mud down here. They are 33.9 inches tall with an overall width of 11.2 inches on stock Rubi wheels. Its my daily driver and this set up works great on the road and in the forest.
I have a 2020 Sahara and I have it scheduled to have the 1.5' Teraflex spacer lift and I decided to upgrade the shocks to Falcon 3.1 SP2's. I also swapped the rims for some 17x9 with KO2. I was going to leave the suspension stock but found that when I'm off-roading with everyone in my family (5 of us) it would rub some. I was gonna put on a new bumper and winch but I just installed a Roadmaster baseplate and apparently it's not compatible with any aftermarket bumper winch combos. I found a bumper and winch combo that would work with my tow bar but its about $2400 for the parts and I'm guessing $300 for the labor. I have a hi lift jack with the winching kit to get me by until my bank account has had some time to recover... I guess that's Jeep life! º|||||||º
 

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I noted that someone commented about nothing to hook a winch to in the desert. That friend, is why you carry a shovel. (Same as we do back east of the river). You dig a hole, put a narrow “slot” in one side. Spare tire goes in hole, cable runs through slot to winch. You now have a low anchor that will let the winch haul your tail to more solid ground. Easy? No, but it WILL get you out of tough spots
 

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I have a 2020 Sahara and I have it scheduled to have the 1.5' Teraflex spacer lift and I decided to upgrade the shocks to Falcon 3.1 SP2's. I also swapped the rims for some 17x9 with KO2. I was going to leave the suspension stock but found that when I'm off-roading with everyone in my family (5 of us) it would rub some. I was gonna put on a new bumper and winch but I just installed a Roadmaster baseplate and apparently it's not compatible with any aftermarket bumper winch combos. I found a bumper and winch combo that would work with my tow bar but its about $2400 for the parts and I'm guessing $300 for the labor. I have a hi lift jack with the winching kit to get me by until my bank account has had some time to recover... I guess that's Jeep life! º|||||||º
LOD bumpers are rated for flat tow. You might have to remove the base plate but LOD also sells the Roadmaster adapters that go on Roadmaster tow bars and hook directly to the bumper. The set up would cost you under $2000. They make Signature and Destroyer series winch capable bumpers in full, mid and stubby versions and like I said the bumper, frame adaptors, skid plat and Roadmaster adapters for less than 2 grnd
 

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I noted that someone commented about nothing to hook a winch to in the desert. That friend, is why you carry a shovel. (Same as we do back east of the river). You dig a hole, put a narrow “slot” in one side. Spare tire goes in hole, cable runs through slot to winch. You now have a low anchor that will let the winch haul your tail to more solid ground. Easy? No, but it WILL get you out of tough spots
I concur, when you are out in the boonies by your self pre planning your equipment load (shovel/axe) and being creative makes the difference between driving out, waiting it out or hiking out.
 

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