NHTSA Development - petition for frame welds investigation

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    What are the chances...in that case yeah, you're fine. I'd still hit the welds with a wire brush real quick and get some paint on them. That rust will eventually spread like cancer.
     
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    That's the weird thing it really isn't rust. I have this great rust converter, it turns rust black and I sprayed it on there and nothing. That's why in that picture it looks glossy. I'll keep my eye on it.
     
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    Sometimes if you don't clean the steel well enough and you don't have quite enough shielding gas, some silica(essentially glass) will rise to the surface of the weld. though I've NEVER seen that much silica on a weld.silica.jpg
     
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    So, the bronze-ish/gold color shown in these welds in the pics attached is silica?

    Thanks

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    It looks like it. Mgroegers Jeep is OK...yours on the other hand, yours are properly bad welds. The red arrow shows the weld that basically hasn't penetrated the frame at all, and the yellow shows welds full of porosity(resulting in a VERY weak weld). I would feel comfortable saying that yours isn't safe to drive.bad welds.jpg bad welds2.jpg
     
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    This is very basic stuff... There's no excuse for not getting this right...
     
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    That's what I've been told by several auto weld professionals who have a combined 43 years of experience and numerous certificates and who has also inspected the welds on the Jeep.

    UPDATE (07-25-18): I have been in contact as of this morning with another representative higher up from within Chrysler. They are having me set up an appt with the dealership service dept (which I've set up for Monday next week) to get the steering TSB performed to hopefully improve the loose steering and Chrysler is also sending out FCA technicians to inspect the welds while the vehicle is there. I'll be provided a rental.

    I don't see any welder in any country, and with a variety of training and/or certificates, saying these welds look even remotely safe or non-defective. But I'll know more probably by Tuesday.
     
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    As a soon to be Jeep owner...thanks for taking the time to keep us updated on this!
     
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    Nice looking weld there. Next time try welding with some metal core weld wire and see how more silica is on the surface of the weld. Then maybe you will understand what is going on at that factory.
     
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    I don't weld with metal cored wire...never have, no matter what wire they're using there's no excuse for the issues people are having. The bad welds are a disgrace and I have no idea how the frames got through with those welds, and those frame welds that weren't properly prepped for paint, They should've put a few guys(or girls) on the line with some pneumatic needle scalers or something chipping the welds before paint. BUT, they didn't. Hopefully they have fixed these issues on the line. They will make it right at the end of the day.
     
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    But you are absolutely correct. FARRR more "silicon islands" come to the surface of welds done with metal cored wire as opposed to using solid GMAW wire. All that fact tells me is they should've known to remove the silicon.
     
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    So, got an update today on my JLR that's been at the dealership since Monday (4 days now). The service advisor and a representative from FCA have been in communication with each other and with me a few times this week.

    The welds are so bad on my Jeep that they have forwarded the pictures to whomever at FCA that manages stuff like this and they have decided to send an FCA "crew" (at least a couple of FCA technicians) out to inspect the welds and reweld problem areas. The current bad problem areas are the front track bar bracket weld and the rear sway bar welds. Those two areas of welds are pretty horrible, as I've shown in several threads here in the forums. But just to iterate again, I've attached the front track bar outer weld pic below.

    So, I'm in a rental (Durango) provided by the dealership now and may be until sometime next week, or until who knows how long.

    I'll update once I know more. If they do decide to just reweld the known problem areas I will have them re-inspected by my own certified welder. I may even see if my welder will go with me to pick up the vehicle. Also, I don't plan on taking the vehicle if the reweld look any bit suspicious or if they don't look rock solid.

    This all sucks. I may also ask for a reimbursement for my monthly payment at the very least. I'm sure that will go smoothly. :headbang:

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    So the picture with the white plastic "T" is good? A tad confused here.
     
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    They will tell you " no reimbursement until you go to welding school , because it's a Jeep thing ."
     
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