NHTSA crash test rating of 4 stars for 2019 Jeep Wrangler JLU 4-door!!

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The hard top is not there to protect you (and soft top) in case of a roll over. The roll bars are there to protect the occupants of the vehicle.
*Groan* again the thing hasn't been called a roll bar for decades, and sure it may accidentally offer some protection to occupants, but don't bet on it.

I would advise anyone wanting to know more about the sports bar to look up reliable information about it.

This is from a quick search online

Jeep makes it a point to refer to it as a sports bar instead of roll cage, establishing bar isn’t designed for rolling over
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*Groan* again the thing hasn't been called a roll bar for decades, and sure it may accidentally offer some protection to occupants, but don't bet on it.

I would advise anyone wanting to know more about the sports bar to look up reliable information about it.

This is from a quick search online

Jeep makes it a point to refer to it as a sports bar instead of roll cage, establishing bar isn’t designed for rolling over
Agreed.
I would think if it was called a roll bar, it would need to be ROPS certified. But that could just be for off highway vehicles and equipment. It's also a legal and liability issue if they were to call it a roll bar giving the assumption that it was designed to protect you in case of a roll over. Sure the factory sports bar will provide some protection in a tip over and maybe even in a low speed roll over, but I bet it crushes like aluminum foil compared to a full cab structure.
 

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4 stars for the front impact rating, all of the tests haven't been done published and it doesn't have an overall rating. So good so far but not a final verdict yet.
Looks like the rollover test is there

Rollover Star Rating
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The Rollover Resistance test measures the risk of rollover in a single-vehicle, loss-of-control scenario.

Dynamic Tip Result: No Tip
Rollover Risk 26.70%
 

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The “sports bar” is a lot better than the jk’s. The Jk’s Ended at the top of the windshield and would simply collapse under any weight.

The JL is much different (connects all the way down and is separate from the windshield) and from accident reports and pictures of rollovers. It does not collapse at all. I’m sure it would at some point just like any other car.
 

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Can't speak to American rollover standards, but since it's sold in Canada it must meet ours. Dollars to donuts theyre the same anyway. https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/roadsafety/220_TSD_rev_0R.pdf


S4. Requirements
When a force in Newtons equal to 1½ times the unloaded vehicle weight in kilograms multiplied by 9.8 m/sec2 is applied to the roof of the vehicle’s body structure through a force application plate as specified in S5, Test Procedures


(a) The downward vertical movement at any point on the application plate shall not exceed 130 mm and

(b) Each emergency exit of the vehicle provided in accordance with section 217 of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations shall be capable of opening as specified in that Regulation during the full application of the force and after release of the force, except that an emergency exit located in the roof of the vehicle is not required to be capable of being opened during the application of the force. A particular vehicle (i.e., test specimen) need not meet the emergency exit opening requirement after release of force if it is subjected to the emergency exit opening requirements during the full application of the force.
Section 217 applies only to buses, so we can focus only on statement (a) The downward vertical movement at any point on the application plate shall not exceed 130 mm. That's 5 inches.

So, to translate - ALL vehicles have to have at least sufficient rigidity to support one and a half times it's own weight while inverted without compressing more than 5". That includes the wrangler and any other vehicle, regardless of whether it has a convertible or conventional roof.

As an aside, those little 2-seater roadsters have ridiculously strong A-pillars.
 

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Can't speak to American rollover standards, but since it's sold in Canada it must meet ours. Dollars to donuts theyre the same anyway. https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/roadsafety/220_TSD_rev_0R.pdf




Section 217 applies only to buses, so we can focus only on statement (a) The downward vertical movement at any point on the application plate shall not exceed 130 mm. That's 5 inches.

So, to translate - ALL vehicles have to have at least sufficient rigidity to support one and a half times it's own weight while inverted without compressing more than 5". That includes the wrangler and any other vehicle, regardless of whether it has a convertible or conventional roof.

As an aside, those little 2-seater roadsters have ridiculously strong A-pillars.
Convertibles have different safety standards, at least here in the US. I’m sure it’s the same in canadia
 

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Let's see another vehicle with removable doors.. removable top... removable windshield etc...
Add-on doors, add-on top.... Real Jeeps don't have doors...

As for the way the factorys sells them, modern Jeeps still have tops made by an aftermarket company.

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The sport bars do their job.

Remember, too, the variance in safety ratings across borders just proves that politics influences the testing, from the types of tests to the criteria for scoring. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they won't give you an apples to apples comparison of a large pickup truck and a Honda Civic. That Civic might get 4 stars, but the occupant will be among the stars the moment the big pickup with a 2 or 3 star rating collides with it. Given the choice, I'd take the larger vehicle every time.

The fact is that the JK had among the lowest injury claims of any vehicle on the road during its entire existence, and yes, I do understand the typical driver is yet another variable. However, there are enough of them on the road to make that less of an influence than it would be for a smaller volume vehicle. If the JL turns out better, then that's just gravy.
 

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The European 1 star rating it not a crash rating. It is a safety rating, due largely to the base wrangler not having automated braking and lane assist features.
I was really happy I could get a JL without all those nannies.. lane change nannies are a joke.. let go of the wheel and count to 20, see if get that far before you have to grab it again... I had a 2019 Cadillac all over the road with that nonsense feature.. last thing I want is more tech to go wrong on the trail..

With that said... I do really like the hill decent feature.. I use it a lot on slippery wet slopes >30degrees... arg.. just cant live with them or with out them.. hmm sounds like.. (better not say it :) )…
 

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Agreed.
I would think if it was called a roll bar, it would need to be ROPS certified. But that could just be for off highway vehicles and equipment. It's also a legal and liability issue if they were to call it a roll bar giving the assumption that it was designed to protect you in case of a roll over. Sure the factory sports bar will provide some protection in a tip over and maybe even in a low speed roll over, but I bet it crushes like aluminum foil compared to a full cab structure.
Well... I know im not a lawyer etc... BUT.. I would put my JL "sport cage" against my john deere 3720 "certified ROPS" all day long of the same weight and same crash - roll scenario.. https://binged.it/2oNynAq with my front loader and mower deck they weigh about the same, but the JD never has to go faster than 10MPH..

At the end of the day.. this is just lawyers making $...

I have spent most of my life in structures at Boeing... there is no comparison between the JL strength and the JD ROPS, certified or not..

Call it what you want.. it will do the job..and there are multiple examples of full rolls at speed with the JL..

Assuming your not dumb enough to drive off Bears pass in CO.. which is a whole another thread :) I think we are just fine..
 

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Ron Swanson had a number of great quotes about Europe:

On European history:
“History began on July 4th, 1776. Everything before that was a mistake.”

On European air:
“I thought you needed some fresh air, even if that air is filled with the foul stench of European socialism.”

On the British royal family:
“Enjoy the fact that your royal overlords are a frail old woman and a tiny baby.”


My friends who are european are very nice people and I have never had a bad experience visiting any european country. That said they have some absolutely ridiculous laws and I will pick our freedoms everyday.
I got family in Italy. Not a bad place, but I'd kill myself if I had to actually live in that town there

Nothing beats America, it's a proven fact!
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From day 1 I knew the European ratings were straight up BS. A full frame offroad truck-like vehicle with and integrated roll cage is not getting a 1 crash test rating.
The construction contributed to the points they knocked off in the front crash rating- impact absorption against a non-deformable barrier is just not as good as a typical passenger car, which leads to higher loads on the occupants. since most collisions are with softer things, I can live with that. The side protection is good, except the rear occupants taking a hard bounce off the door. rear curtain bags would fix that. Whatever pedestrian gobledigook they come up with is moot after you swap the pumper for something that hold a winch and has a "stinger".
 
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