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The TJ series is my favorite in the Wrangler line. I can’t deal with the Rambler American styling of the YJ. I prefer the TJ’s and the CJ’s.
Well right now I can get a frame for a cj3 for about $3,000 and then it's another $4, 500ish for the tub... If you don't go too crazy I think you could build a really nice classic Jeep from scratch for under $25,000. It really depends on how crazy you get with the axles and engine if you want all new parts out of the crate or if you're willing to use a donor vehicle and do a little cutting and welding yourself.

Bonus points because it's cooler than anything Stellantis will sell you now.
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Well right now I can get a frame for a cj3 for about $3,000 and then it's another $4, 500ish for the tub... If you don't go too crazy I think you could build a really nice classic Jeep from scratch for under $25,000. It really depends on how crazy you get with the axles and engine if you want all new parts out of the crate or if you're willing to use a donor vehicle and do a little cutting and welding yourself.

Bonus points because it's cooler than anything Stellantis will sell you now.
And yet here we all are...paying double for what some of you pretend is the inferior vehicle. The JL crawls better, drives better, pulls better, rides better than a CJ could ever dream of. From 0 mph to 90mph. From stock 33s to 39s with a mild lift. The JLUR is better everywhere than any jeep we've owned before it and we are pushing 20 over the years.
 

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And yet here we all are...paying double for what some of you pretend is the inferior vehicle. The JL crawls better, drives better, pulls better, rides better than a CJ could ever dream of. From 0 mph to 90mph. From stock 33s to 39s with a mild lift. The JLUR is better everywhere than any jeep we've owned before it and we are pushing 20 over the years.
Well generally Banks don't give out loans so you can build a kit car in your garage. That's not to say you can't do a home refinance or something like that and use the proceeds for that purpose but it's a lot easier to walk into a car dealer and get a bank loan for a new vehicle and so that's what most people do.
 

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Well generally Banks don't give out loans so you can build a kit car in your garage. That's not to say you can't do a home refinance or something like that and use the proceeds for that purpose but it's a lot easier to walk into a car dealer and get a bank loan for a new vehicle and so that's what most people do.
If you intentionally pay double for the vehicle you don't want that you truly believe is inferior, I don't know if I'd trust you with a loan but banks aren't exactly logical. I'll ride in the comfort of my JLUR or JTM with the AC on and watch the cj guys struggle and break parts in front of me while sweating in the heat like last weekend on charlaroue gap trail but you do you.
 

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… a plug. You need a plug. Infrastructure advancement? At the most you might have to have a 220 outlet installed if there isn’t one already. I don’t think you’re gonna need city engineers for that.
I am reading the tread from the beginning, so what I want to reply to you might have been answered already (my apology), but with all due respect, you do not know what are you talking about...
It is a "plug only", you say...???
Do you have any idea what adding a "plug only" and, on top of it the 220V plug, to each household means for the power grid infrastructure? Do you think every house is plugged directly to the electric plant? It is not adding the plug to your home only, it is re-building the the upward infrastructure, wires, transforming stations, all way to the power plant. And, doubling/tripling the power production on top of this...
Where in the hell all of you EV lovers think we can get this extra power from when every house adds "one plug" for EVs? And then, many households have/use 2 or more vehicles... Ask Californians how they feel when State tells them "it is hot, but you can use the power either for your AC, or for your EV, but not both"...
 

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If you intentionally pay double for the vehicle you don't want that you truly believe is inferior, I don't know if I'd trust you with a loan but banks aren't exactly logical. I'll ride in the comfort of my JLUR or JTM with the AC on and watch the cj guys struggle and break parts in front of me while sweating in the heat like last weekend on charlaroue gap trail but you do you.
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Well, sadly its the end of the line for me and maybe the end of the line for Jeep. Its been a long road traveled...60 years of Jeeps, thanks for the ride and thanks for the memories, its been a good one!
 

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I am reading the tread from the beginning, so what I want to reply to you might have been answered already (my apology), but with all due respect, you do not know what are you talking about...
It is a "plug only", you say...???
Do you have any idea what adding a "plug only" and, on top of it the 220V plug, to each household means for the power grid infrastructure? Do you think every house is plugged directly to the electric plant? It is not adding the plug to your home only, it is re-building the the upward infrastructure, wires, transforming stations, all way to the power plant. And, doubling/tripling the power production on top of this...
Where in the hell all of you EV lovers think we can get this extra power from when every house adds "one plug" for EVs? And then, many households have/use 2 or more vehicles... Ask Californians how they feel when State tells them "it is hot, but you can use the power either for your AC, or for your EV, but not both"...
“California often produces so much during the middle of the day that it can’t be used, so producers lose money and some of the potential environmental benefit is lost. “Some of it is absolutely being wasted,” says Paul Denham, senior research fellow at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory. But some of it can be sent to other regions, he says, and some of it can also be stored…”

https://www.fastcompany.com/91110863/california-renewable-energy-grid

Too much energy seems to be the real problem, but don’t let facts sway your beliefs.
 

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Yup. Bring up the letters "EV", "PHEV" and forum discussions devolve into a schoolyard screaming in panic...

Having said that, I have no faith that Stellantis can build a reliable EV any more than it can build a flying car.
 
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I really believe it's going to be like the new Ramcharger where it's "all electric" but has an ICE for range but is not physically connected to the drivetrain. I would actually be first in line for a 2 door Rubicon with this set up.
 

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The TJ series is my favorite in the Wrangler line. I can’t deal with the Rambler American styling of the YJ. I prefer the TJ’s and the CJ’s.
The TJR is the LAST of the real Jeeps. Everything past that point is just an electrical short looking for a place to happen on some lonely trail...
 

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Too much energy seems to be the real problem, but don’t let facts sway your beliefs.
"Too much" energy for a few midday minutes the few days a year it's not too hot or cold in the largest (by MWh) electricity importer (~30% of total usage) state. That's not a fact, that's a delusion.
 
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I really believe it's going to be like the new Ramcharger where it's "all electric" but has an ICE for range but is not physically connected to the drivetrain.
That's exactly what was stated in November's UAW agreement.

I would actually be first in line for a 2 door Rubicon with this set up.
I wonder how well the REPB will scale down to a 2-door. Hopefully it will.
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