New parts changing my mind

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This comment assumes most buyers purchase Wranglers for their capabilities. I'd venture to bet that most people actually do NOT purchase them for the capabilities and instead most get them because of its looks. Owning a rugged looking SUV (that's only driven on pavement) is my opinion of what's moving most of the 200k units a year.....And if we're talking about looks, many, perhaps most, think they look better lifted with beefy tires.

My comments are not an excuse for the people that are doing these mods cheaply. I'm merely stating that I believe most make the mods to improve the appearance and not to improve capability.

For those that got a Wrangler to exploit its capabilities, I understand why you're scratching your heads at those destroying their Wranglers with cheap mods. However, it starts to make a little more sense when you realize the majority of them are doing it solely for the appearance and are naïve that doing it cheaply has negative results.
So true! I am one of the people who bought a Rubicon for it’s looks more than anything. I never off road the damn thing and therefore am 100% factory stock. Chances are that 90% of Rubicon buyers are like me and those out of this 90% who modify are doing it more for looks than anything else.

Let me know if I said something wrong please.





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We have a 2020 JLUR. It is a daily driver as well as a trail rig when I can.

We are adding a modest 2” Rancho Sport lift with Rancho front and rear adjustable track bars and Rancho’s geo correction brackets.

This modest list will allow us to run up to a 37” tire should we choose. I will probably stick with a tire closer to the 35” range for many reasons.

This will improve approach, break over and departure angles and not be a huge detriment as a daily driver.

I say build it for your use case. If that means keeping it stock, then keep it stock.
I’m sticking with a 35s as well, probably a KO2, I ordered metalcloaks 3.5 inch lift.
 

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I'd love to seem some pics of your setup. Sounds nice!
My Jeep is less than 2 months old and most of the cool pictures are on my Jeep Club's private group page from wheeling trips. I never take many pictures. The ones below are when the Jeep was only 2 weeks old, still on temporary plates. It is less than 2 months old now. 2,500 miles including high speed long trips and 3 wheeling trips riding with Jeeps on 37-42" tires. Did all the trails they did. Did *ALL* the mods myself over 4 days.

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You realize that a 3.5" lift means 37" tires and a re-gear? This is a slippery slope.
 

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Hello, I have recently begun modding my Jeep and the further I get into it the more I appreciate my Jeep in its stock form. I’ve added a new bumper and winch and it has made the steering feel heavy and my Jeep feel noticeable slower during acceleration. I’ve ordered a lift and already and am now debating on sending it back, and returning the Jeep to its original state. Have you experienced similar thoughts? I bought my Jeep so I could customize it but the more I drive it the more I like it the way it is.
I got really into the 'weight added' aspect of modding - convinced it would be worse somehow.

However - I had to mod - for practical reasons. I could not do some of the roads/trails I wanted to do without a suspension lift. I needed a winch as I Jeep solo out in the wilderness. And I needed a metal front bumper with some kind of striker to add protection against deer. The rear bumper was just to match the front :CWL:

But after every upgrade - I was convinced the Jeep was going to be slower and get worse gas milage. And I don't. At least not in the city or highway.

And peace of mind... Way out there...

I still have to actually read this thread and the responses, but ,if you feel you need something to be safe - you'll do it... I love my Jeep more knowing it can get me places it couldn't when it was brand new :like:

Best of luck!
 

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My stock JLUR is used primarily for commuting, and looks/drives great while doing it. However, the thought of adding a simple level kit and 35s on the stock rims should give me the edge I’m looking for. Those 2 mods can’t be too bad, right? Just a little something extra.
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Yes. I have owned nine Wranglers over the years: every time I went from my old Wrangler to a new one I couldn't believe how much better the new Wrangler drove; even one from the same generation.

Modding is a slippery slope: we add this and that, totally absorbed in the excitement, without realizing --often in denial-- that the Jeep is gradually turning into a lumbering tractor.

This is why I have become reticent to mod indiscriminately. I've learn to appreciate my Wranglers in stock form for at least a year before doing any major mods. Even then, now I go about it very deliberately. Things like wheel weight, tire width, tire weight, wheel spacers, etc., they all matter and add up.
I am in my third wrangler build and agree, go slow and think about what you really want and what it cost you both cash and performance
 

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I don't understand anyone who lifts their Jeep and doesn't need the clearance for off road purposes. It simply doesn't make any sense. Time and time again I've heard the story that someone modifies their Jeep for no apparent reason and then sells it because it drive like shit.

Take your Jeep off road. Find it's limitations and upgrade your road blocks to more difficult trails.

If you don't off road, leave it alone. It only drives worse on road the more off road you make it.
my rock krawler 2.5” lift with fix shock rides better than it did stock, but the 37s slowed it down a bit… I think the big thing is that people get carried away with achieving a look.. and don’t even know what the costs are on performance… and it’s hard to really know what products to buy.. and once you buy you are stuck…
 

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Totally agree that a build needs to be thought out in advance.

This isn’t my first Wrangler so while it progressed fast it is partly based on what I did & didn’t do but should have to past Wranglers.
To most people mine looks fairly stock (aside from the stinger and lights) until you get closer and look around properly. The whole point is for a discrete but purposeful build that can handle just about anything for the environment it’s in now and will be used in the future.
 

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My 21 JL Rubicon two door is getting a Rock hard aluminum bumper, Warn winch, and MAYBE a leveling kit.... that is it. I did bolt an AWE exhaust on it...but for me near to stock is best. with the ability to self recover if neceassary. I will occasionally wheel it in a few local off road parks, and I hated the plastic bumper. I have no interest in larger tires or more height. I have found my Rubicons to be exceptionally capable for what I do and where I go.

When things break or wear out, I will replace with aftermarket stuff where it makes sense...but again...keeping it as near to stock as I can. I've done the lifted/re-gear route on my TJ and while it was a beast....I didnt use the capability I built into it as much as I thought. Its your Jeep so make it how you like....and I like mine pretty much as Jeep built it.
 

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My 21 JL Rubicon two door is getting a Rock hard aluminum bumper, Warn winch, and MAYBE a leveling kit.... that is it. I did bolt an AWE exhaust on it...but for me near to stock is best. with the ability to self recover if neceassary. I will occasionally wheel it in a few local off road parks, and I hated the plastic bumper. I have no interest in larger tires or more height. I have found my Rubicons to be exceptionally capable for what I do and where I go.

When things break or wear out, I will replace with aftermarket stuff where it makes sense...but again...keeping it as near to stock as I can. I've done the lifted/re-gear route on my TJ and while it was a beast....I didnt use the capability I built into it as much as I thought. Its your Jeep so make it how you like....and I like mine pretty much as Jeep built it.
Ditto. Also, don't be in a hurry for your RH bumper(s). It's been over 6 weeks since I ordered my aluminum rear one, and there's still no estimate on when they will be able to ship. The sales people are very helpful, but say they are totally swamped with orders. I bought my front one from them a few months ago, and it only took about a week to ship. I guess all those posts about Jeeps selling like crazy are right.
 

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Ditto. Also, don't be in a hurry for your RH bumper(s). It's been over 6 weeks since I ordered my aluminum rear one, and there's still no estimate on when they will be able to ship. The sales people are very helpful, but say they are totally swamped with orders. I bought my front one from them a few months ago, and it only took about a week to ship. I guess all those posts about Jeeps selling like crazy are right.
Its been on order with my local Off road shop for a few weeks..... I'm hoping it ships soon. How did you like the bumper and the quality? I chosse aluminum because I didnt want to add a ton of weight to the front. Did you feel much difference in steering feel or performance?
 

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Its been on order with my local Off road shop for a few weeks..... I'm hoping it ships soon. How did you like the bumper and the quality? I chosse aluminum because I didnt want to add a ton of weight to the front. Did you feel much difference in steering feel or performance?
I am very happy with the front bumper. Installation was a breeze, it's very sturdy and well attached, and with the Warn 10K Evo winch didn't change my ride height or handling at all. I was initially interested in it because of the flat towing ability and decided to save weight by spending the extra $ on aluminum for the same reason.
 

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There is an active thread right now where a guy dumped a ton of money into a Sport S and was insulted when he went to trade it that the price of the mods weren't taken into account. Be careful, the slope is very slippery.
One of my good friend's brother-in-law works at a dealership (not Jeep) and says some of the worst interactions he has with customers are the ones who bring in Jeeps, Raptors, etc. that are modded-out like crazy. Says they lose their minds when he tells them to take everything off, return it to stock, and come back.........or to accept the MUCH lower trade-in offer.

One of the first rules my dad taught me about cars was that they're very personal. And whatever you choose to do them will not be loved nor admired nor even pondered by 99% of anyone else in the world. So, don't change a car any drastic way that you can't revert when you want to sell it. Too bad other folks didn't learn that lesson.
 

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