RubiSc0tt
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- First Name
- Scott
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- Upstate NY
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- 2019 JLUR in Punk'n Orange
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Agreed. Especially for a beginner or someone who isn't sure if they're into off roading yet.For the money go with the Willys XR that way you get the lift and 35s from the factory. If you do take it offroad you'll figure out if you need more lift or lockers. A willys XR is a great place to start.
This is 100% correct. I've had a friend who is a tech tell me something was a known issue. I brought it to a dealer and have them tell me a number of BS things, such as:Also, warranties are of questionable value. Pay attention to comments about denied claims over dirt/mud being found under the vehicle. Even if you haven’t had bad warranty experiences with a stock vehicle, know that there are more ways for a dealer to deny claims with a Jeep. 1 dirt road could end your factory warranty if you don’t have a decent dealer around, and economic pressure could end even that (warranty work doesn’t pay enough).
I din’t say that to scare you or out of politics. Just know it can touch you. Denied warranty claims on a $19k compact are one thing, denied claims on a $60k Wrangler can be extra infuriating. So maybe avoid it by sticking with a “low trim”.
"We can't fix this"
"This is the worst vehicle I've seen in 34 years"
"There is A LOT done to this vehicle" (wrong. Electrical mods were wired to Aux switches w/ heat shrink).
it basically varies widely by dealer.
Now that that's out of the way:
I think I posted this in the other thread- I went Rubicon because I knew what I was getting into. I knew I was going to be taking it off road, and building it. I wanted to pick up where I left off with my TJ's, and even upgrade. Resale value holds better on Rubicon as well- and that's general rule of thumb because there is equipment behind the package, not just a bunch of stickers. Same could be said for Willys vs. base model sport, I suppose.
You're already doing better than most, reading and seeking advice here and not on one of the FB groups. Good gods, there are like 3000 posts a week about this and half those people have no idea Rubicon is more than stickers.
Also: You mentioned you're in NY. If you do decide to venture off road- find an organized club with people well versed in legal trails. Too many people just decide they're going to go drive whereever they can and get the wrong kind of attention from DEC/ Authorities, and that gets us all in trouble, and puts any remaining trails we have left at risk.
As a manual transmission user, somewhat agree. One of the big JL groups on FB Sean P Holman (The man himself, from Motortrend and the Truck Show Podcast) as well as a few Jeep engineers who lurk have spoken up and said the Centerforce Clutch kit improves and solves the factory issues. I will probably replace my clutch with that kit... unless I can swing a 392 by some miracle.Which ever you decide on, go with the 8 speed auto. It's the best transmission I've driven. Avoid the manual tranmission with the exploding clutch/flywheel which has burned down many a Wrangler. Jeep has turned down any warranty claims on the clutch issue. They claim it's operator wear/error even though it's statistically established to be a defect. Someone is going to loose a leg over this.
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