Looks Like Ford Bronco is Serious About Taking on the Wrangler

Will you consider the new Bronco?


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Why do people keep getting angry at features making it from one vehicle to the next?? Jeep isn't the only one with aux switches. Jeep isn't the only one with a disconnectable sway bar. The hardtop panels, how else do you expect them to latch it? There are only so many ways to do things properly. Shut up with this "OMG THEY COPIED JEEP" BS. It's tired and idiotic. What's next? OMG IT HAS A SPARE ON THE BACK AND 4 WHEELS THEY COPIED JEEP!
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

There is an “correct” way to do things, obviously Jeep figured it out with the freedom panels. If it doesn’t violate any patents then Ford is free to copy it vs coming up with a worse solution. Same thing with the spare tire camera.

BTW, one of the “in the know” people over at the Bronco forum said that the Bronco team was obsessed with the JL when it came out, and went through it with a fine tooth comb. Apparently they thought Jeep did a great job with a lot of the improvements, but didn’t go far enough/ had areas of opportunity.





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IFS can be okay. But from what we've seen of this, it isn't. It's based off the Ranger and the pictures that were posted showed the abysmal length and were able to give me an estimate on travel length based on what I now of the Ranger and other similar IFS systems.

Also people keep defending IFS by comparing it to the HMMWV. Just stop. For one, the suspension setup on a HMMWV is pretty different than anything you will find on a production vehicle. The sharp A arms, the portal hubs, the high misalignment CV shafts, etc. 2, the HMMWV is not the best vehicle the Army has for going off road. And it really sucks on road. Off road the suspension does not keep the wheels in contact with the ground because of the limited travel. The torsen diffs keep enough power to the wheels to continue going forward in most scenarios, but the issue is when you are cresting over something and the weight shifts. You may have one wheel that is several feet in the air, and suddenly the weight of the vehicle comes crashing down onto it. It is a very sketch scenario.

Moral of the story is that the Bronco will behave very similarly on technical trails like that. Not fun.
 

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If Ford has somehow figured out how to make IFS with more articulation, that would be good news for many of us. Choice is good. Some in this board seem very concerned the Bronco might be successful in competing with the Wrangler.
 

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If Ford has somehow figured out how to make IFS with more articulation, that would be good news for many of us. Choice is good. Some in this board seem very concerned the Bronco might be successful in competing with the Wrangler.
I hope the Bronco is very successful against the Wrangler. Competition is always good for the consumer. It can lead to great innovation. Why innovate or improve reliablity if you have no competition? The Bronco re-entering the 2 door SUV market was great news. I'm excited.
 

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I find it ironically funny reading all the posts about IFS vs solid axle, because I keep thinking about the Mustang and how it was the exact opposite. For years (ok, decades) Ford pushed the Mustang chassis with a solid rear axle and tried competing against cars with independent rear suspension. Even the Camaro ditched the solid axle years ago. Ford's own SVT group released an IRS setup for the Mustang in mid 2000's, but was too cost prohibitive to continue. Now, finally, we see the Mustang lose the solid axle setup. So I wonder how long before SVT gets their hands on the Bronco and releases a solid axle for it? Lol

Honestly, I'd have to agree with others in saying that Ford knows the audience they are marketing toward. They are not targeting the 10%* hardcore base; they are after the 90%* who will drive on pavement and light trails. They need this to sell well if upper management is to continue production of a vehicle that has this much hype behind it. So if it sells well to the 90% of their target audience, then they should get the green light to push the envelope on improving their model lineup for the 10% hardcore audience. I'm just as curious as everyone else to see what that brings.

* I just made these percentage figures up for sake of argument. No real research went into this.
 

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Independent Suspension can do work. It may not appeal to everyone, but let's not act like it is completely inept and incapable in the offroad department.

Watch some of these Y62 videos from Australia, might surprise you a bit.
 

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Independent Suspension can do work. It may not appeal to everyone, but let's not act like it is completely inept and incapable in the offroad department.

Watch some of these Y62 videos from Australia, might surprise you a bit.
It’s a JL forum so the bias will be strong. It’s expected. Long time jeep guy myself, but I welcome the competition to bring the best out of wrangler. New powertrain is going to happen, and I don’t think this is a bad thing. A few tweaks to an already great design won’t hurt either. Wrangler can’t get too comfy
 

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I find it ironically funny reading all the posts about IFS vs solid axle, because I keep thinking about the Mustang and how it was the exact opposite. For years (ok, decades) Ford pushed the Mustang chassis with a solid rear axle and tried competing against cars with independent rear suspension. Even the Camaro ditched the solid axle years ago. Ford's own SVT group released an IRS setup for the Mustang in mid 2000's, but was too cost prohibitive to continue. Now, finally, we see the Mustang lose the solid axle setup. So I wonder how long before SVT gets their hands on the Bronco and releases a solid axle for it? Lol

Honestly, I'd have to agree with others in saying that Ford knows the audience they are marketing toward. They are not targeting the 10%* hardcore base; they are after the 90%* who will drive on pavement and light trails. They need this to sell well if upper management is to continue production of a vehicle that has this much hype behind it. So if it sells well to the 90% of their target audience, then they should get the green light to push the envelope on improving their model lineup for the 10% hardcore audience. I'm just as curious as everyone else to see what that brings.

* I just made these percentage figures up for sake of argument. No real research went into this.
I'm calling baloney on your percentages! :LOL:
 

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At 3:47 you can see why this system works well. It has very long a arms. They meet at the differential. The Bronco does not have anything close to this. It has the same short a arm setup as we see on the Ranger. If they had gone with a system like this Patrol, or even the twin traction beam from the old F150 I would not be so critical. But they went with the same suspension design as a Honda Civic.
 

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At 3:47 you can see why this system works well. It has very long a arms. They meet at the differential. The Bronco does not have anything close to this. It has the same short a arm setup as we see on the Ranger. If they had gone with a system like this Patrol, or even the twin traction beam from the old F150 I would not be so critical. But they went with the same suspension design as a Honda Civic.
It's not quite EXACTLY like a Honda Civic, but yes, similar. The TTB shortcoming was the lack of camber correction. I was hoping they would do something like the TTB with an offset differential, slip yokes on the two axleshafts, and equal length double wishbone with the pivot on the opposite side of the vehicle... but they didn't...
 

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It's not quite EXACTLY like a Honda Civic, but yes, similar. The TTB shortcoming was the lack of camber correction. I was hoping they would do something like the TTB with an offset differential, slip yokes on the two axleshafts, and equal length double wishbone with the pivot on the opposite side of the vehicle... but they didn't...
I'd say the ranger is literally nothing like a CRV in terms of what it can do.
Random video.
 

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It's not quite EXACTLY like a Honda Civic, but yes, similar. The TTB shortcoming was the lack of camber correction. I was hoping they would do something like the TTB with an offset differential, slip yokes on the two axleshafts, and equal length double wishbone with the pivot on the opposite side of the vehicle... but they didn't...
I know it's not exactly the same, but they are both short unequal length wishbone style suspensions. So more similar than dissimilar.
 

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I'd say the ranger is literally nothing like a CRV in terms of what it can do.
Random video.
Desperately needs a front locker or at least traction control.
 

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