Looks Like Ford Bronco is Serious About Taking on the Wrangler

[hatwood]

PLEASE TAKE THE PISSING MATCH OUTSIDE ! GET BACK TO BRONCO, ARRGH

I sincerely apologize for making a disrespectful responding comment to you. You are, in fact correct that this type of commentary on this thread has gotten far off track, and much of it falls under my responsibility.

I will attempt to curtail my responses when I feel unjustly remanded, and try to keep on topic.

freaking autocorrect- reprimanded, not remanded.

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[misanthrope]

I sincerely apologize for making a disrespectful responding comment to you. You are, in fact correct that this type of commentary on this thread has gotten far off track, and much of it falls under my responsibility.

I will attempt to curtail my responses when I feel unjustly remanded, and try to keep on topic.

Thank you for being the bigger man here. This forum needs as much of that as it can get.
Please continue to defend your position, especially when unjustly reprimanded, but maybe in a way that actually advances the conversation for all, which I sense was your intent in the first place.
We all become untracked and even unhinged when we're not being heard. It's how we react to it that makes all the difference.

 

[Notorious]

Because production models tend not to fall too far away from their race counterparts, here’s a very, very close look at some of the key styling cues we can expect from the Bronco, whenever and however Ford decides to unveil it.

This is called the Bronco R.

 

[kre62]

That just says that around 60% are modified. That includes the mall crawlers and angry grills, so it doesn't really help your point. I still can't understand why you are so upset by this. We all know people who will never take their Wrangler out on anything crazier than a gravel road. I work at a place that has 4 wranglers in the parking lot. Mine is the only one that has ever gone on a trail. My 20 years of Wrangler ownership have been with very similar results. The variance being how far west I lived. When I was in AZ, a lot more people actually wheeled, but when I was in NY, nobody did.

The numbers I quoted for off road aren't from that report. They are from a different report put out by Jeep. The report I linked is a report by SEMA. It says in the description that they also have numbers in there on % of off road use.

Way to scan the intro, see the number 60, and assume its the same thing though...

 

[jeepingib]

The numbers I quoted for off road aren't from that report. They are from a different report put out by Jeep. The report I linked is a report by SEMA. It says in the description that they also have numbers in there on % of off road use.

Way to scan the intro, see the number 60, and assume its the same thing though...

You are still holding to the arbitrary number like a dog with a bone. The number doesn't matter. What Hatwood said has truth. Most Wrangler owners don't wheel. We all know this. And it's getting worse every year. And the massive numbers of JK, and JLs that have been sold are not sold to enthusiasts who are going to take them to the local trails. Some will, and thank God for them. But there are a lot of people who buy it merely as a status symbol. They will do whatever lift the dealership recommends, or whatever is cheapest at 4 wheel parts. And they will mount their 20" wheels and low profile tires, their Angry grills, their big sub box, whatever makes them happy. And they won't ever do anything except to go to the mall, lake, whatever.

Now you can continue to pick apart the semantics of this and say something like "over the course of ownership a majority of Wrangler owners will take their Jeep off road at least once." And that would probably be true too. But it's still arguing over an imaginary line in the sand. The intent of the argument is that most Wranglers that are being sold are not for trail use, and it's those people who don't intend to go wheeling who are keeping sales up and helping the Jeep brand.

 

[kre62]

You are still holding to the arbitrary number like a dog with a bone. The number doesn't matter. What Hatwood said has truth. Most Wrangler owners don't wheel. We all know this. And it's getting worse every year. And the massive numbers of JK, and JLs that have been sold are not sold to enthusiasts who are going to take them to the local trails. Some will, and thank God for them. But there are a lot of people who buy it merely as a status symbol. They will do whatever lift the dealership recommends, or whatever is cheapest at 4 wheel parts. And they will mount their 20" wheels and low profile tires, their Angry grills, their big sub box, whatever makes them happy. And they won't ever do anything except to go to the mall, lake, whatever.

Now you can continue to pick apart the semantics of this and say something like "over the course of ownership a majority of Wrangler owners will take their Jeep off road at least once." And that would probably be true too. But it's still arguing over an imaginary line in the sand. The intent of the argument is that most Wranglers that are being sold are not for trail use, and it's those people who don't intend to go wheeling who are keeping sales up and helping the Jeep brand.

The whole point I'm making is that no one, including you, knows if that is true. It's something many assume, but you just don't know.

It's been quoted many times over the years as truth, so I get that it feels true at this point. But is you see a chick in a jeep at a gas station or a mall and the jeep is clean, you can't assume she doesn't wheel. She just wasn't coming back from wheeling at that one moment.

 

[kylebw7]

Ford can’t be too broke. One of the first to offer help to those that have lost their jobs or are struggling. I wish they’d shut down the entire country for a month and get this thing over with

 

[Notorious]

...But if you see a chick in a jeep at a gas station or a mall and the jeep is clean, you can't assume she doesn't wheel...

Thank you for this.

When I see a babe in a Wrangler at the mall, the gas station or... the ice cream shop , I usually compliment the Wrangler and make small, polite and friendly conversation.

If it’s a guy, I’ll compliment the Jeep right as I’m leaving and usually get a confused, “hey thanks”. Definitely no need for conversation there.

 

[Sean K.]

You are still holding to the arbitrary number like a dog with a bone. The number doesn't matter. What Hatwood said has truth. Most Wrangler owners don't wheel. We all know this. And it's getting worse every year. And the massive numbers of JK, and JLs that have been sold are not sold to enthusiasts who are going to take them to the local trails. Some will, and thank God for them. But there are a lot of people who buy it merely as a status symbol. They will do whatever lift the dealership recommends, or whatever is cheapest at 4 wheel parts. And they will mount their 20" wheels and low profile tires, their Angry grills, their big sub box, whatever makes them happy. And they won't ever do anything except to go to the mall, lake, whatever.

Now you can continue to pick apart the semantics of this and say something like "over the course of ownership a majority of Wrangler owners will take their Jeep off road at least once." And that would probably be true too. But it's still arguing over an imaginary line in the sand. The intent of the argument is that most Wranglers that are being sold are not for trail use, and it's those people who don't intend to go wheeling who are keeping sales up and helping the Jeep brand.

EVERYONE commenting is talking semantics. Read the bold above again. You just admitted that it would "probably be true" that most Wranglers are going to go offroad at least once. To you, that doesn't make them "wheelers"...hence your "Most Wrangler owners don't wheel" comment.

Now, ask yourself what parameters are required to be admitted into this club of people who, you know, "actually wheel" their Wranglers?

If you ask a varied group of Jeep owners, they're likely to give a multitude of answers of what it means to them. What makes your hypothetical number of times out in the dirt or level X trail better than someone else's? Nothing....except its some sort of dick measuring contest to say that one person is a "real" offroader and someone else isn't.

I don't disagree with your point that the image is what sells Jeeps....not in the slightest. We're picking nits over semantics b/c none of us has the right to tell someone else they "don't wheel" b/c they don't wheel like we do. I'm not running around calling everyone on this forum a bitch b/c they don't run buggy only trails b/c they physically can't in a full bodied Jeep...but according to the logic above, I should....and frankly, I think that's not only being an asshole; it's wrong.

 

[Kyanche]

If only it were so simple. There are too many unanswered questions.Most companies will ask employees to stay or work from home a minimum of 2 weeks, probably more.

My employer is adamant that we're not working from home and not shutting anything down. There are definitely some companies acting like that. I'm not sure what percentage though, but I fear it's larger than you'd expect.

 

[Lou Bunn]

The company I work for has said that if you want to work from home - please do. So, I'm the only one that comes in. It's like "home alone" or a Twilight Zone episode! Why don't I want to work at home? I have a wife that's retired and always needs just a little help on this or that, 7 small dogs that are great most of the time but every now and then they all bark & howl at the same time for 2-5 minutes! Not good if you're on the phone with a customer.

 

[SecondTJ]

My employer is adamant that we're not working from home and not shutting anything down. There are definitely some companies acting like that.

Yep, same here

 

[viper88]

My employer is adamant that we're not working from home and not shutting anything down. There are definitely some companies acting like that. I'm not sure what percentage though, but I fear it's larger than you'd expect.

What do you do? Businesses that are essential to health, safety and welfare, including grocery stores, pharmacies, medical offices, and gas stations are probably open.

I don't know where in CA you are? Are you in a small community? It probably depends on what your company does and what you do. Are you considered essential or nonessential personal? It probably depends on the size of the company and how many employees. Your company have more then 50 employees? Your employer will eventually fall under CDC, City, State, or Federal guidelines. For example, San Francisco is under a 24 hour soft lock down. NJ is under a enforced curfew between the hours of 8pm and 5am. New York, Ohio, Illinois and Connecticut are limiting a combination of measures, like restaurants and bars to just delivery and takeout for food orders and closing down casinos, gyms and movie theaters. I think other States and Cities will follow.

 

[viper88]

Forget buying the Bronco or the Wrangler. Buy the company. Ford is at $4.82 now. FCA is at $7.38.

 

[kylebw7]

I work for probably the biggest tire company. Seriously doubt they even consider shutting down. We’ve been running all out just in case we’re forced to but it doesn’t seem there’s any thoughts or plans as of yet

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