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I had a girlfriend with a van (was that a sign?) that had a slant 6. I don't recall 30 mpg. More like 16 mpg.
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Not unlike caliber.

What's a .44M? What's a .45LC?
44 Magnum, 45 Long Colt. A bit off topic, but I'm always amazed when folks talk about how powerful the 44 Magnum is, like it's some great new achievement in pistol caliber, when the 45 Long Colt has nearly identical power, and was developed back in the late 1800's.

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I think our memories get fuzzy as we get older or nostalgia creates false fondness. Every base model econobox is a rocket ship compared to that under powered junkā€¦and gets better mileage to boot. A 67 valiant would meander to 60 in about 13 seconds. Youā€™d be hard pressed to find anything that slow these days, and nobody would drive it as that is so slow itā€™s down right dangerous on modern freeways. I left out the post emissions numbers as 95hpā€¦less than 1/2 a horsepower per cubic inch is ridiculous.
I'm only 37 so the Slant Six was just a little before my time as far as me driving. I still remember that and a few more post emissions engines at that power level getting us around just fine. My first car only made 85 Hp, lol. Its probably why a heavy foot isn't part of my driving style.

We've certainly been spoiled by modern vehicles I'll give you that. 392 Jeeps pushing out close to 500 Hp and still getting better mileage (driver dependant) than the old 190 Hp Jeeps is pretty awesome.
 

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I had a girlfriend with a van (was that a sign?) that had a slant 6. I don't recall 30 mpg. More like 16 mpg.
That was for the Dart or Scamp, lol. The Vans and Trucks obviously weren't going to get even 20.
 

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44 Magnum, 45 Long Colt. A bit off topic, but I'm always amazed when folks talk about how powerful the 44 Magnum is, like it's some great new achievement in pistol caliber, when the 45 Long Colt has nearly identical power, and was developed back in the late 1800's.

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-Tim
I don't think anyone under 100 years old is calling 44 mag a "great new achievement", it was introduced in 1955. I wouldn't call 50% less velocity from a 10% lighter projectile "nearly identical power" either?
Federal Premium, as an example, makes American Eagle JSP rounds for each cartridge. The 225-grain .45 Colt has a muzzle velocity of 860 feet-per-second (fps). After 50 yards, it is traveling at 828 fps. These are decent numbers, but a 240-grain .44 Magnum round from the same product line flies out of the barrel at 1,230 fps; after 50 yards it is still traveling 1,117 fps.
670ftlbs is not even close to 806ftlbs.
 

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44 Magnum, 45 Long Colt. A bit off topic, but I'm always amazed when folks talk about how powerful the 44 Magnum is, like it's some great new achievement in pistol caliber, when the 45 Long Colt has nearly identical power, and was developed back in the late 1800's.

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I've got a friend with a Ruger Alaskan in .454 Casull... He says he can only do a few rounds of that, but can shoot .45 Long Colt all day with it.
 

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I don't think anyone under 100 years old is calling 44 mag a "great new achievement", it was introduced in 1955. I wouldn't call 50% less velocity from a 10% lighter projectile "nearly identical power" either?
Federal Premium, as an example, makes American Eagle JSP rounds for each cartridge. The 225-grain .45 Colt has a muzzle velocity of 860 feet-per-second (fps). After 50 yards, it is traveling at 828 fps. These are decent numbers, but a 240-grain .44 Magnum round from the same product line flies out of the barrel at 1,230 fps; after 50 yards it is still traveling 1,117 fps.
670ftlbs is not even close to 806ftlbs.
Yeah, and the reality is that the 45LC factory loads you find will be under the advertised velocity by a disappointing amount.
 

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I've got a friend with a Ruger Alaskan in .454 Casull... He says he can only do a few rounds of that, but can shoot .45 Long Colt all day with it.
.454 is a beast of a cartridge. 75% more recoil than 44 mag. Up to 2k ftlbs of muzzle energy. Definitely not a plinking round, more of a "watch this" kind of a bullet.
 

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.454 is a beast of a cartridge. 75% more recoil than 44 mag. Up to 2k ftlbs of muzzle energy. Definitely not a plinking round, more of a "watch this" kind of a bullet.
Great for breaking your wrist while making watermelons explode I bet!

I might have to ask if he still has it and to break it out the next time we go shooting. Just for fun.
 

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I had a TC Contender with a 30-30 barrel that I used to hunt with. It didn't look like it recoiled much, because the barrel was low enough it put most of the recoil straight back. It would hurt my wrist joint after a session at the bench. I sold it many years later.
 

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44 Magnum, 45 Long Colt. A bit off topic, but I'm always amazed when folks talk about how powerful the 44 Magnum is, like it's some great new achievement in pistol caliber, when the 45 Long Colt has nearly identical power, and was developed back in the late 1800's.

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-Tim
Yeah, I was really commenting on the conversion to liters (j/k). The .44M is more like a .429 and the .45LC is more like a .452. When you're looking at the .45-70, another "45" caliber, it's more like a .458. So, the whole 5.0L Mustang with a 302, versus the Chevy 5.0L with a 305, or the 5.7L from whatever manufacturer that isn't the same, is just the same as we've ever been.

I really like the .44M, carried one for a long time, but I like my .45 even more...although it's really a 405-grain .458-70 coming out of a much longer barrel. Maybe it's a super-charged .45?

BTW, yeah, I know I'm rambling.
 

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Yep. A 325i used to have a 2.5 liter. Now you get a 330i with a 2.0 Turbo and a 340i with a 3.0 Twin Turbo. :facepalm:

Another example, Toyota replaced their 5.7 liter V8 with a 3.4 liter Twin Turbo. The Lexus LX570 had the 5.7 liter... but they can't go DOWN in model number now! That's absurd! :movember: The 3.4 liter LX600!
My favorite is the Honda S2000: started with 1997cc, increased to 2157cc in 2004. They should have changed the name to S2200...
 

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My favorite is the Honda S2000: started with 1997cc, increased to 2157cc in 2004. They should have changed the name to S2200...
That's one of the few cars I never made a connection with model number and engine displacement, lol.
 

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That's one of the few cars I never made a connection with model number and engine displacement, lol.
I only learned after purchasing one... always thought it used 2000 to sound cool like SimCity.

All the Honda "S" cars are named after the engine size in cubic centimeters (with the exception of the one I pointed out). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S_series
 

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Datsun made a tiny convertible roadster as the 1600 and 2000. I drove one for a while. Bob Bondurant had them at his school at Ontario Motor Speedway.
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