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I have only ever owned manual transmissions in all my Wranglers for 20 years and now my new Gladiator with a 6 speed. I personally disagree with various reviews about it being "horrible"....of course I have bias sure, but I also know that a lot of those "bad" reviews are from editorials where the folks are trying to compare it to their normal reviews which are not trucks, much less off road vehicles with talk about "long throws" similar to driving a bus or something so they clearly never owned a CJ/YJ/TJ/LJ/JK. My TJ specifically and JK were much longer throws than the newer 6 speed in the JL/JT. I do have one complaint and that is first gear is extremely short...I have no experience with this new 6 speed in anything other than a Rubi so maybe the 4.10s come in to play specifically for the first gear being so short but regardless I am very happy with it. You do have to wind it up a bit further than previous Jeeps it seems but that is an easy learning curve IMO. Back to the subject topic though, please tell me I am not the only one who has stalled this new 6 speed a few times shortly after owning it!
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... Back to the subject topic though, please tell me I am not the only one who has stalled this new 6 speed a few times shortly after owning it!
The clutch pedal takes a bit of getting use to. At least that's my experience. And I've owned and driven almost exclusively manuals for the past half century. Now my problem is switching back and forth between the JK and JT--whoa, what a difference! But the JT takes the prize as a great feeling shifter. I honestly believe if more manual transmission vehicles felt this good, there would be more folks driving manuals. The thing that surprises me is, the Germans (in the form of Mercedes Benz) made a horrible mess of the transmission in the JKs. But the Japanese have really come through on the JT.
 
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The clutch pedal takes a bit of getting use to. At least that's my experience. And I've owned and driven almost exclusively manuals for the past half century. Now my problem is switching back and forth between the JK and JT--whoa, what a difference! But the JT takes the prize as a great feeling shifter. I honestly believe if more manual transmission vehicles felt this good, there would be more folks driving manuals. The thing that surprises me is, the Germans (in the form of Mercedes Benz) made a horrible mess of the transmission in the JKs. But the Japanese have really come through on the JT.
I have been searching the forum but cannot seem to find the info even though I know it is here somewhere, do you happen to know what model the JL/JT transmission is? Best I found so far was TR-6060 as listed on the MOPAR website but that does not seem right, and JEGS references that as a Chevy transmission. I was looking to get more info on it.
 

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I have been searching the forum but cannot seem to find the info even though I know it is here somewhere, do you happen to know what model the JL/JT transmission is? Best I found so far was TR-6060 as listed on the MOPAR website but that does not seem right, and JEGS references that as a Chevy transmission. I was looking to get more info on it.
A six-speed Aisin AL6 D478 manual transmission is standard on all Gladiator models equipped with the 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6, and the Wrangler JL's ZF850RE, an eight-speed automatic transmission is optional.
 
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The clutch bite point is really really narrow. I've stalled it multiple times and I've driven manuals since my first truck in '85. If I drive it like a sports car with higher revs, it's happiest. If I drive it like a truck, I'll stall it every time. Reverse is still a PITA in this truck. But that said, I wouldn't trade this truck for anything, as it's a blast to drive.
 

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The clutch bite point is really really narrow. I've stalled it multiple times and I've driven manuals since my first truck in '85. If I drive it like a sports car with higher revs, it's happiest. If I drive it like a truck, I'll stall it every time. Reverse is still a PITA in this truck. But that said, I wouldn't trade this truck for anything, as it's a blast to drive.
I think much of the problems had by experienced manual transmission users is due to the multiple systems active on the JT - traction control and all the others - which means you’re fighting the machine every time you release the clutch. It’s a much bigger learning curve because of this.
 

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My JT manual Rubicon is a pleasure to drive.

Once you get used to the light clutch you realize what they were thinking when they did it.

Took me 25 miles to get used to it but I did stall it once in the process.

Now when I get into my 6 speed 392 Challenger the clutch feels like a workout. :LOL:
 

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I have been searching the forum but cannot seem to find the info even though I know it is here somewhere, do you happen to know what model the JL/JT transmission is? Best I found so far was TR-6060 as listed on the MOPAR website but that does not seem right, and JEGS references that as a Chevy transmission. I was looking to get more info on it.
No, I sure don't. The only reason I know that the JK transmission is MB is because I bought a new one and it came in a new MB box*. And the JT one is Japanese because that's what the window sticker says.

*Technically, I've been told, you can only buy rebuilds. But my mishap (long story) happened early in my JK's career and I happened to receive one of the new ones they used to stock the supply line.
 
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I doubt this is doable because gear ratios in a manual likely cannot be altered digitally like some automatics can via the ECU but has anyone had success using tuners to modify the way a Gladiator eats up first gear? I do not know how you would accomplish this other than maybe slowing down the power curve up front or something. Just curious, thanks!

I agree with Mightytalldude, if you wind this thing up more than you think you would need to it seems a lot happier.
 

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I stalled like 5 times on my test drive.... stage fright I suppose. So far, I've gotten used to the gearing, but the power/torque curve of the 3.6 is NOTHING like the 4.0 i6 I had a few years back.
To that point, the two gripes i have about the manual gladiator are:
1.) There is zero torque below 2k rpm. I'd rather take off at 1k, but it take a lot of coordination...
2.) The 18 mufflers do their jobs too well, I can't hear the engine. I've always driven a manual by sound, but here, I have to watch the tach with my left eye, traffic with my right eye, then balance the touchy clutch and throttle... Borla will fix this though.
 

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This is my first manual vehicle and it has been some fun getting used to. haha I thought the bite point was really narrow but didnt know if it was my inexperience. Glad others feel the same way.
 

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Personally, I feather the clutch and throttle until I can get the clutch out completely with as little as gas as possible, then, when the clutch is out, I gun it. When I shift gears, I rev it up a little and give it practically no gas during the shift, I gun it after the shift. For reverse, I feather the clutch all the way, unless I have a long way to go, ---- then, I get the clutch out fast, and feather the gas pedal to get there.

After you give it gas in first or reverse gear with the clutch out, and then let the gas off, because of the big tires and the laws of momentum, the truck will slow down a lot before it stalls. I use this fact a lot when I am 4 wheeling, so, I do not have to clutch very much.
 

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I stalled like 5 times on my test drive.... stage fright I suppose. So far, I've gotten used to the gearing, but the power/torque curve of the 3.6 is NOTHING like the 4.0 i6 I had a few years back.
To that point, the two gripes i have about the manual gladiator are:
1.) There is zero torque below 2k rpm. I'd rather take off at 1k, but it take a lot of coordination...
2.) The 18 mufflers do their jobs too well, I can't hear the engine. I've always driven a manual by sound, but here, I have to watch the tach with my left eye, traffic with my right eye, then balance the touchy clutch and throttle... Borla will fix this though.
Remember, it is a hydraulic clutch, so you don't need to go to the floor but it is a balancing act since there isn't a real take up feeling. I've a 6-spd JLR, lighter than the JT, but the same clutch.

Save your money on a Borla and just go to a muffler shop to eliminate the baffles and straight pipe it. Sounds great, save $$$, and you can get creative on where you want the tailpipe to exit the vehicle.
 

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Remember, it is a hydraulic clutch, so you don't need to go to the floor but it is a balancing act since there isn't a real take up feeling. I've a 6-spd JLR, lighter than the JT, but the same clutch.

Save your money on a Borla and just go to a muffler shop to eliminate the baffles and straight pipe it. Sounds great, save $$$, and you can get creative on where you want the tailpipe to exit the vehicle.

Straight pipe cause any check engine lights?
 
 



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