It developed organically over many years in response to natural demand, not because the government used legal coercion to create/manipulate/accelerate a market in a short period of time. Hell we can't even get internet connectivity to all who want it now, and people want it & are willing to pay a premium.
Yeah, that internet thing? That's all on the ISPs not wanting to "organically grow based on natural demand".
Dude the wrangle 4xe was not a energy savings play as much as it was a performance and rebate play to sell more Wranglers. No one at FCA sees the Wrangler as save energy play. For some it will (those with short commutes, or soccer moms) others not so much. this is simply progress (baby steps). Do not judge if a counterpart does not exist.
OK boys, it's been 189 years! What Star date was that?
I certainly believe the 4xe is more realistic to wheel than a totally EV Wrangler. Unfortunately, a 17Kwh battery is a throw back to the historically anemic powered Jeeps we've suffered with since WWII despite the 2.0L and 8sp being a superior match than anything previously produced. Now we're being sold an under performing battery even by Stellantis' standards. Recall that back in '09 it was promoted as a 40 mile battery, then busted to 25 miles, now 21 miles. How can this be acceptable?
375 HP + 470 lb-ft torque... anemic?
OK boys, it's been 189 years! What Star date was that?
I certainly believe the 4xe is more realistic to wheel than a totally EV Wrangler. Unfortunately, a 17Kwh battery is a throw back to the historically anemic powered Jeeps we've suffered with since WWII despite the 2.0L and 8sp being a superior match than anything previously produced. Now we're being sold an under performing battery even by Stellantis' standards. Recall that back in '09 it was promoted as a 40 mile battery, then busted to 25 miles, now 21 miles. How can this be acceptable?
The $7500 tax refund helps make up the cost disparity
Also subtract the $7500 tax credit. Thats what most people forget with the 4xe
After research the federal tax credit of $7500 is applied just like a child tax credit so indeed your refund would be increased by that amount if you get tax refunds which is nice. I do not know about the state credits as Texas phased theres out last year.Folks have mentioned federal tax incentives (obviously everyone's state is different) - and these can indeed be good but they need to be examined holistically. The government is never out to do anyone any favors. The tax rebates are for folks who run a liability - anyone who gets a tax refund every year isn't benefitting from them. Folks who do their taxes in a way to get as close to zero as they can, but might go a little over, won't realize the tax credit because it can only be claimed up to your liability. (I owe 1k, I can claim 1k rebate but not the full 7500). If you're a person who does their taxes so perfectly that you run a 7k deficit and can reliably get it very close to that number without going over, and then use the hybrid tax rebate to close the gap, until these rebates are phased out (this is the govts plan as more sell) the rebate could be quite useful. The number of folks who fall into this category, though, is far smaller than the number of people who will buy the vehicle thinking oh-em-gee I'm gonna save 7.5k on taxes.
Just wanted to make sure you are aware the 4xe has 90 more horsepower and 210 more lb-ft torque than the V6? Just in case you wanted to rethink which Jeep was who's.We're looking at ordering a 4xe very very soon. Over the past year the husband and I have both been teleworking due to covid, but he's due to start going back into the office soon. It's a 60 mile trip each way, so he'll be driving 600+ miles a week for work.
His current commuter vehicle is a 2019 Subaru Outback. It's fine (if boring), gets around 28 MPG. Good thing is that we owe less than the trade-in value. Between the improved MPG, getting the equity out of the Outback, and the federal tax credit, it seems to be a no-brainer to buy the 4xe. And if he really wants the vroom vroom of a V6, he always has mine (if I let him drive it).
LOL! Nah, it's my dream Jeep. I'll be continuing with remote work permanently so it works out perfectly.Just wanted to make sure you are aware the 4xe has 90 more horsepower and 210 more lb-ft torque than the V6? Just in case you wanted to rethink which Jeep was who's.
Sad to see the recklessness in thinking that we all have to go immediately into a full-blown all electric solution way before it's practically ready. I wonder if you own a Tesla and tried charging it during rolling blackouts? Or charge it with just green energy sources during the monsoon or doldrum seasons?
