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I know the Broncos are delayed on production right now. But seems F150s have all the silicone. I was killing time browsing at ace hardware and the lot next door (not a dealer) had damn near 100 brand new trucks in it. Going to assume dealer used it as storage but I don’t know.

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I know the Broncos are delayed on production right now. But seems F150s have all the silicone. I was killing time browsing at ace hardware and the lot next door (not a dealer) had damn near 100 brand new trucks in it. Going to assume dealer used it as storage but I don’t know.

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Ford is building and storing trucks while they wait for the modules due to the semiconductor shortage, instead of idling the factory. One of the race tracks has like 10,000 trucks on site.
 

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Ford is building and storing trucks while they wait for the modules due to the semiconductor shortage, instead of idling the factory. One of the race tracks has like 10,000 trucks on site.
Yea I was aware of that but thought it was near their factories. This is obviously a lot used as over flow by a local dealer. A few of the trucks had a dealer vanity plate on the front. Just struck me as odd.
 

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Hell’s gate is probably a harder obstacle than 90% of Wranglers or Broncos will ever do.
Hell's gate is an easy obstacle. You can do it in a Kia. Just stay centered and turn a little when you get to the bump. A spotter is helpful if you haven't done it a few times. You don't even need lockers if your suspension flexes a bit.

Even so, you're probably right that it's harder than most vehicles will actually do.

 

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Hell's gate is an easy obstacle. You can do it in a Kia. Just stay centered and turn a little when you get to the bump. A spotter is helpful if you haven't done it a few times. You don't even need lockers if your suspension flexes a bit.

Even so, you're probably right that it's harder than most vehicles will actually do.
My Jeep wouldn't make it, I may hurt it... Give me a rental, I'll get'er there. No curve to high, no ditch too deep for the rental I'm not going to keep.
 

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Modern traction control helps a lot.
 

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My Jeep wouldn't make it, I may hurt it... Give me a rental, I'll get'er there. No curve to high, no ditch too deep for the rental I'm not going to keep.
What's the difference between a rental and a Jeep?

The rental WILL make it over the obstacle. 🤣
 

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Modern traction control helps a lot.
Articulation keeps the tires on the ground so you don't need traction control. So does staying on the right line on v notches like that.
 

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Yeah, I'm a Ford guy through and through, but based on what I'm seeing it's a hard pass on the Bronco.
 

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Those are the helicopter hooks like Humvees had so you can airdrop Broncos into war zones.
It's my understanding that at this juncture the Bronco will not be available
for sale until the end if the year at best. The one they were marketing before
this showing at the various dealerships was the Bronco Sport. Which comes
with a 3cylinder engine. Yes no power, I drove one. The 4 cylinder version has
a turbo to boost the horse power. It's naturally better then the 3 cylinder and
has the same cheap interior as described in previous post. I don't believe you
can test drive the Bronco, but maybe I'm wrong. I was invited to preview the
Bronco at ford, but why bother when you can't but one today. It needs to be
pre-ordered and the wait will be long. I sold my Wrangle JL with manual a
few month's ago, because Jeep was unable to resolve it's many problems.
I didn't trust taking the vehicle on long off-road trips, and the service at Jeep
as reported S__k's. I'm happy with the Toyota Tacoma with trail package. On
the bright side, My trade in value was almost what I paid for the JL 3 years ago.
The Bronco has a light of hope, but I'm hoping it will wake up FCA where they start
paying serious attention to the owners of Wrangler.
 

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It was almost like they benchmarked the JK interior instead of the JL.
They probably did - remember the JL came in 2nd half of 2018. The Bronco was supposed to be unveiled March 2020, postponed to July 2020. Considering that it would take at least 3 years to develop a new model, this means that their benchmark was the last JK/JKU iteration...
 

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They probably did - remember the JL came in 2nd half of 2018. The Bronco was supposed to be unveiled March 2020, postponed to July 2020. Considering that it would take at least 3 years to develop a new model, this means that their benchmark was the last JK/JKU iteration...
I am not sure I understand the hate for the Bronco interior. the Bronco Sport maybe, but the Bronco has much, mucu better seats than the JL does. Even the base model seats were much more comfortable. I have had multiple JLURs and have a 4th Eco-Diesel Rubicon on order, but If I could swap the seats I would in a heartbeat.
 

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That’s probably true. But a large part of what keeps buyers out of Toyota’s is the aged feel to the electronics. It’s great for their global sales in poorer countries but harder to compete in the US.

I think we will see some loss from those that buy a Wrangler to have a convertible 4wd grocery getter, much due to the Ford brand loyalty. But I think a large number will come from the F150 and Ranger crowds. Again it’s the brand loyalty. The biggest thing will be what demand Ford can keep up with and not hurt production of other popular models.
What keeps buyers out of Toyotas is what you get for the price: no lockers in the front. leaf springs in the back.
I do not follow Ford very closely but something happened in the last 5 years where their quality seems to have dropped precipitously. I thought they were decent during their Volvo days.

And you're spot on with the Wrangler quality. It isn't the best, but you do want hard plastics in the right places for durability and the hard plastics that exist are well-placed. The only exception is that I wish the tunnel where your right knee rests were softer.
My complaint about the JLU interior is that having hard plastics in the back makes your Jeep look terrible after a while - it scuffs soooo easily, it's unbelievable.
 

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I work for a Ford/Chrysler dealer north of the Proving grounds here in Arizona. They brought 2 of them by here last December, got to sit in em but not drive. Better looking than I thought, but I still like my Jeep better. In the end they are trying to compete directly with the Jeep. I think the next redesign will probably be much better, I certainly wouldnt be going out of my way to buy this first version

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