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Apologies if this has been addressed... but the Owners Manual shows tow capacity of 2dr at 2000lb (not 3500lb)
I special ordered a 2-door JL Sport the other day and I have driven one, so it's not like I was buying something that I hadn't seen before, but I noticed something yesterday while trying to calculate calculate whether it would fit in my garage with my motorcycle in front of it. I had thought that the 2-door JL was going to be somewhat compact and it would be easier to fit into those really small parallel parking spots. I guess I was still thinking that it wasn't that much different than the older Wranglers (e.g. CJs, YJs, and TJs). I had previously owned a 4-door XJ, so I figured I could look up the dimensions on it and compare it. Interestingly, it is basically the same size as my old XJ -- only 0.3" shorter. With only a 2000 lb towing capacity, I had assumed it was a lot shorter since short vehicles can get into a "tail wagging the dog" situation when they try to tow too much of a trailer. So, it's definitely not as compact as I was hoping. One other thing that I noticed is that it has quite a lower tow rating than my XJ. The XJ had a 5000 lb tow rating.





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Anyone towing a boat with their JLU? Wondering what real world experience is towing 2500-3000 or so.
 

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I special ordered a 2-door JL Sport the other day and I have driven one, so it's not like I was buying something that I hadn't seen before, but I noticed something yesterday while trying to calculate calculate whether it would fit in my garage with my motorcycle in front of it. I had thought that the 2-door JL was going to be somewhat compact and it would be easier to fit into those really small parallel parking spots. I guess I was still thinking that it wasn't that much different than the older Wranglers (e.g. CJs, YJs, and TJs). I had previously owned a 4-door XJ, so I figured I could look up the dimensions on it and compare it. Interestingly, it is basically the same size as my old XJ -- only 0.3" shorter. With only a 2000 lb towing capacity, I had assumed it was a lot shorter since short vehicles can get into a "tail wagging the dog" situation when they try to tow too much of a trailer. So, it's definitely not as compact as I was hoping. One other thing that I noticed is that it has quite a lower tow rating than my XJ. The XJ had a 5000 lb tow rating.
The 2 door shouldnt be much bigger then my TJ. I recall it being approx 12ft including 35 inch spare. I think the 4 door is 15 feet.

I'm thinking you could up the trailer towing values simply by getting beefier springs and a gear change. With the short wheel base I wouldnt go too heavy on a trailer.
 

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The 2 door shouldnt be much bigger then my TJ. I recall it being approx 12ft including 35 inch spare. I think the 4 door is 15 feet.

I'm thinking you could up the trailer towing values simply by getting beefier springs and a gear change. With the short wheel base I wouldnt go too heavy on a trailer.
Which TJ? The 1996-1999 model was 151.2" long with a 93.4" wheelbase. The 2004-2006 SWB model was 154.9" long with a 93.4" wheelbase. The 2-door JL is 166.6" long with a 96.8" wheelbase and the 1994-1996 XJ was 166.9" long with a 101.4" wheelbase.

I'm thinking that the bumpers on the JL plus the rear tire mount on it is what makes it seem close to the size of the XJ.
 

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Which TJ? The 1996-1999 model was 151.2" long with a 93.4" wheelbase. The 2004-2006 SWB model was 154.9" long with a 93.4" wheelbase. The 2-door JL is 166.6" long with a 96.8" wheelbase and the 1994-1996 XJ was 166.9" long with a 101.4" wheelbase.

I'm thinking that the bumpers on the JL plus the rear tire mount on it is what makes it seem close to the size of the XJ.
"Much" longer. lol I think your on the money with the JL tire carrier and the XJ. I didnt think the new JL 2d was that much longer then the TJ, thinking the larger stock tire contributes to that too. My stock TJ tires were itty bitty things compared to 33's. I'm heading to the dealer today with my TJ and low ball them on a new four door RUBY. While there I'll check out the size difference with the TJ.
 

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"Much" longer. lol I think your on the money with the JL tire carrier and the XJ. I didnt think the new JL 2d was that much longer then the TJ, thinking the larger stock tire contributes to that too. My stock TJ tires were itty bitty things compared to 33's. I'm heading to the dealer today with my TJ and low ball them on a new four door RUBY. While there I'll check out the size difference with the TJ.
Just look up the invoice prices on the vehicle and option that you are interested in and subtract 6%. There's plenty of dealerships that will do 5-6% below *invoice*, unless you are wanting to try to haggle even further below that, it's not worth it.

If there is a Carmax in your area, stop by there and get an offer on your TJ before you go to the Jeep dealership. My dealership really lowballed me on the possible trade-in of my Ram 1500, but since I had already gone to Carmax, I knew that the dealership was offering me half of what they offered. I ended up selling it to yet another company that offered $500 more than Carmax.
 

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Just look up the invoice prices on the vehicle and option that you are interested in and subtract 6%. There's plenty of dealerships that will do 5-6% below *invoice*, unless you are wanting to try to haggle even further below that, it's not worth it.

If there is a Carmax in your area, stop by there and get an offer on your TJ before you go to the Jeep dealership. My dealership really lowballed me on the possible trade-in of my Ram 1500, but since I had already gone to Carmax, I knew that the dealership was offering me half of what they offered. I ended up selling it to yet another company that offered $500 more than Carmax.
Good info! I have a price in mind I want to pay and it is low. I will walk away and probably should. I bought my 97 tj new and extremely well set up for off road, I wasnt going to trade it in. They wont likely want it anyway set up as extreme as it is. It only has 60k on the speedo. I have a pickup that I normally drive so the jeep is strictly pleasure.

Paying that much for a rig that will sit there much of the time isnt real efficient use of capital but if I get a deal I will do it. These things are NICE and I could see the family using it more, plus I will be retiring soon and plan a trip to Alaska with my son in about 3 years. The Ruby should be well set up by then.

Smarter money would be to wait 3 years when leases are up, pay a little less and pick up one of them. I could also give my TJ to my son as a graduation gift.
 

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Smarter money would be to wait 3 years when leases are up, pay a little less and pick up one of them. I could also give my TJ to my son as a graduation gift.
Don't give a kid a car that you don't want to see wrecked... :(
 

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Newbie here. Can I ask how much spring sag is too much?

I have about 750 lbs of stock on my Sahara.
Front dipped about 1.25 inches
Rear dipped about .75 inches

I only have about 3.5 inches of travel left until i hit my bump stops.
Necessary to get better coils?
 

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From an internal document:

Model | Weight | Towing Capacity | Max Payload

2-door JL Wrangler Sport (2.0L): 3797 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1075 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Sahara (2.0L): 3880 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1045 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Rubicon (2.0L): 4085 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1040 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Sport (3.6L): 3797 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1075 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Sahara (3.6L): 3880 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1045 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Rubicon (3.6L): 4085 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1040 lbs

4-door JLU Wrangler Sport (2.0L): 4015 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1310 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sahara (2.0L): 4135 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1265 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (2.0L): 4300 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1235 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sport (3.6L): 4015 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1310 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sahara (3.6L): 4135 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1265 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (3.6L): 4390 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1235 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sport (3.0L diesel): 4395 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1280 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sahara (3.0L diesel): 4590 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1160 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (3.0L diesel): 4620 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1180 lbs

JT Scrambler Pickup Base (3.6L): 4576 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1400 lbs
JT Scrambler Pickups Premium (3.6L): 4576 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1400 lbs
JT Scrambler Pickup Base (3.0L Diesel): 5100 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1400 lbs
JT Scrambler Pickup Premium (3.0L Diesel): 5200 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1100 lbs

* Model weight was calculated by subtracting max payload from GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating).

Discuss the JT Scrambler figures @ http://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/f...-max-payload-figures-and-axles-revealed.1353/

A few more other points gleaned from these pages:
  • 3.0L diesel again confirmed
  • Diesel will only be available with the 4-door JLU Wrangler and Jeep Scrambler Pickup
  • Jeep Scrambler (JT) Pickup will only be available in 4-door model
  • Jeep Scrambler (JT) Pickup will be available with 3.6L Pentastar and 3.0L diesel (not 2.0L turbo)
  • Jeep Scrambler (JT) Pickup will be available in base and premium models


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How does one determine whether their vehicle falls under Cab 72 or Cab 74?
Payload differences between the two is almost 20%.
I have a 2019 JLUR 3.6w/ ESS.
Is Cab 72 = BSG option and Cab 74 = ESS option?
 

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How does one determine whether their vehicle falls under Cab 72 or Cab 74?
Payload differences between the two is almost 20%.
I have a 2019 JLUR 3.6w/ ESS.
Is Cab 72 = BSG option and Cab 74 = ESS option?
Look at your driver side door jam for the yellow payload sticker that is specific to your Jeep build
 

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Look at your driver side door jam for the yellow payload sticker that is specific to your Jeep build
Thanks.
Are you referring to Tire and Loading Information sticker?
That seems to indicate 850lbs which I've heard folks mention they see on other models so I'm a bit confused. I have 4 dr rubicon 3.6 v6 with steel bumpers.
What does your sticker state?
 

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How does one determine whether their vehicle falls under Cab 72 or Cab 74?
Payload differences between the two is almost 20%.
I have a 2019 JLUR 3.6w/ ESS.
Is Cab 72 = BSG option and Cab 74 = ESS option?
I assumed 72 was a 2 door and 74 was a 4 door but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe someone else can chime in.
 

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I assumed 72 was a 2 door and 74 was a 4 door but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe someone else can chime in.
what's the tire and loading sticker on your JL say?
850 is a long way from 1235. lol
 

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