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4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (3.6L): 4390 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1235 lbs

Has anyone confirmed the weights? Is is possible to see now that they are shipping? Is it possible to see or do the weigh them when they're shipped for the carriers to know what to charge?

I want to know since I'll be flat towing mine and after a few upgrades I need to stay under 5k pounds. I would assume the above posted in post #1 might be updated now?





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Anybody else not impressed with the weight reduction on these? I think even for the lightest model, the 2-door Sport is still quite heavy. I was expecting somewhere in between 3,000 to 3,500 lbs. I did a quick Google with the JK and it seems not very much was done to weight.
They were never going to get a body-on-frame, solid axle SUV to 3,000 pounds without employing extremely expensive materials throughout.

Considering that shit like crash standards and required equipment always go up with time, I think they did a decent job on weight.

They did something right considering the 2 door manual is rated at 25mpg highway. That's fantastic for this type of vehicle.
 

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From an internal document:

Model | Weight | Towing Capacity | Max Payload

2-door JL Wrangler Sport (2.0L): 3797 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1075 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Sahara (2.0L): 3880 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1045 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Rubicon (2.0L): 4085 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1040 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Sport (3.6L): 3797 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1075 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Sahara (3.6L): 3880 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1045 lbs
2-door JL Wrangler Rubicon (3.6L): 4085 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1040 lbs

4-door JLU Wrangler Sport (2.0L): 4015 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1310 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sahara (2.0L): 4135 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1265 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (2.0L): 4300 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1235 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sport (3.6L): 4015 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1310 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sahara (3.6L): 4135 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1265 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (3.6L): 4390 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1235 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sport (3.0L diesel): 4395 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1280 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Sahara (3.0L diesel): 4590 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1160 lbs
4-door JLU Wrangler Rubicon (3.0L diesel): 4620 lbs | 3500 lbs | 1180 lbs

JT Scrambler Pickup Base (3.6L): 4576 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1400 lbs
JT Scrambler Pickups Premium (3.6L): 4576 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1400 lbs
JT Scrambler Pickup Base (3.0L Diesel): 5100 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1400 lbs
JT Scrambler Pickup Premium (3.0L Diesel): 5200 lbs | 6500 lbs | 1100 lbs

* Model weight was calculated by subtracting max payload from GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating).

Discuss the JT Scrambler figures @ http://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/f...-max-payload-figures-and-axles-revealed.1353/

A few more other points gleaned from these pages:
  • 3.0L diesel again confirmed
  • Diesel will only be available with the 4-door JLU Wrangler and Jeep Scrambler Pickup
  • Jeep Scrambler (JT) Pickup will only be available in 4-door model
  • Jeep Scrambler (JT) Pickup will be available with 3.6L Pentastar and 3.0L diesel (not 2.0L turbo)
  • Jeep Scrambler (JT) Pickup will be available in base and premium models


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Jay - thanks for this info.. I'm assuming the towing weights are "with" the towing group (upgrade battery, alternator, and tow harness??)

What is the tow capacity of a Sahara Unlimited w/out it?

My boat is about 2,100 to 2,500 dry weight. I wont' tow much and I have a Honda pilot for long distance towing. There is a Sahara - Nacho in the lot at my dealer.. no tow package.. so wondering if they could put the hitch on? And if that would be enough for me to tow my boat 15 miles once ever couple weeks?

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Anybody else not impressed with the weight reduction on these? I think even for the lightest model, the 2-door Sport is still quite heavy. I was expecting somewhere in between 3,000 to 3,500 lbs. I did a quick Google with the JK and it seems not very much was done to weight.
I'm just curious, not arguing or instigating...How could you expect a 15-25% weight reduction? 3000 would be a massive restructering of the rig...It would be AWESOME, but next to impossible. I guess you could use extensive carbon fiber and/or magnesium in all the places that don't "normally" get dinged off road, but initial cost and repair costs would be almost prohibitive.
 

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My wife and I really like this trailer.

https://www.airstream.com/travel-trailers/nest/

It has a dry weight of 3,200 lbs and a GVWR of 4,000. So I assume with the rated towing capacity of 3,500 on the JLU Rubicon this would not be prudent to tow with a Rubi? Are my assumptions correct?
 

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But all this doesn't explain why the Cherokee and Grand Cherokee have perfectly normal tow ratings in North America. The Cherokee even higher than the Wrangler with a lesser engine and transmission.
The tow package in a wrangler is completely different than the tow packages in the other Jeep models. Most of those tow packages include improvements to suspension, better equipped cooling systems and a tow/haul button that manipulates the transmission. Just the differences in suspension alone can change max tow capacities.
 

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My wife and I really like this trailer.

https://www.airstream.com/travel-trailers/nest/

It has a dry weight of 3,200 lbs and a GVWR of 4,000. So I assume with the rated towing capacity of 3,500 on the JLU Rubicon this would not be prudent to tow with a Rubi? Are my assumptions correct?
I wouldn’t - the pin weight of that trailer unloaded would exceed the max pin weight (350lbs) and would eat into payload. Anything else you put in the trailer and the back of your Jeep would make it even worse.

I get people wanting to be able to tow, but if you are in the market for a tow vehicle a wrangler should be your last choice.
 

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Understood. Thats why I thought I would ask. Either we go big expensive RV again (just sold our old one) so we can tow the Rubi or find something we can live out of camping that the Rubi can tow. Since we have never found the later until this weekend when we checked out the Nest I thought we may have a perfect solution. Back to the drawing board.

Another question, any chance at all the diesel will up the towing capacity? I get towing capacity is more that just a motor.
 

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Understood. Thats why I thought I would ask. Either we go big expensive RV again (just sold our old one) so we can tow the Rubi or find something we can live out of camping that the Rubi can tow. Since we have never found the later until this weekend when we checked out the Nest I thought we may have a perfect solution. Back to the drawing board.

Another question, any chance at all the diesel will up the towing capacity? I get towing capacity is more that just a motor.
Diesel is heavier so I doubt anything will change.
 

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Understood. Thats why I thought I would ask. Either we go big expensive RV again (just sold our old one) so we can tow the Rubi or find something we can live out of camping that the Rubi can tow. Since we have never found the later until this weekend when we checked out the Nest I thought we may have a perfect solution. Back to the drawing board.

Another question, any chance at all the diesel will up the towing capacity? I get towing capacity is more that just a motor.
First post on this thread answers this question
 
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Apologies if this has been addressed... but the Owners Manual shows tow capacity of 2dr at 2000lb (not 3500lb)
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... Am I missing something?
 

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Hauled a load of scrap to the landfill last Saturday. I was 6,950 entering (Jeep+trailer+4 people+load) and 6,100 leaving. Jeep handled the work like a champ which is what I'd expect since I was below tow specs.

However, subtracting the known weight of my empty trailer and all occupants leaves me with a weight of roughly 4,350 lbs. for my Sport S with the hard top, which is kind of heavy compared to the weights listed on page 1 of this thread. I found that interesting.
 

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Understood. Thats why I thought I would ask. Either we go big expensive RV again (just sold our old one) so we can tow the Rubi or find something we can live out of camping that the Rubi can tow. Since we have never found the later until this weekend when we checked out the Nest I thought we may have a perfect solution. Back to the drawing board.

Another question, any chance at all the diesel will up the towing capacity? I get towing capacity is more that just a motor.
Have you looked at the airstream basecamp or 16' sport? Those should both be within the jl's capability.
 

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