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JL/JLU Wrangler 2.0L Turbo Gets 368 HP (Source: FCA docs to NHTSA)!

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Rhonda has the answers to all this rhetoric
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I'm saying it's a fake document made up by someone who likes trolling Jeepsters.
Get a grip on the conspiracy theories. Did you click on the link in the first post? The document is an official FCA doc on NHTSA’s website. So you think FCA submitted a bonus doc to NHTSA to troll us? Cmon man.
 

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The only manufacturers that have engineered engines that make close to 184 hp/liter of displacement are Ferrari, McLaren, AMG, basically high end exotic cars. Fiat/Chrysler will NOT be able to mass produce a motor like that for a vehicle with a $30-50k price. The only thing that FCA makes with that kind of power is the Alfa Romeo Giulia and that is an $80,000 vehicle.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/g6482/10-cars-with-the-highest-specific-outputs/

Ford Focus RS: 152.HP/Liter
Honda Civic Type R: 153 HP/Liter
Audi RS3: 160HP/Liter
Volvo S60: 181 HP/Liter (also a 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder at 362 HP)

With a turbocharging anything is possible :fingerscrossed:
 

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Can anyone with a better understanding of high powered turbos than me shed some light on my questions?

1) If offered, would it be offered with the manual or no chance?
2) What are the downsides, if any, to having a turbo with these kind of numbers when it comes to off-roading?
 

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4) Finally I doubt that this is a typo... These documents get reviewed several times prior to submission.
This being a typo doesn’t really make sense. It would have been signed off by someone prior to being submitted.

This being a fake is absolutely possible. Just look at how much fun the person who faked it is it having. There are over 140 replies within hours of it being posted.
Sure a typo seems illogical, but creating a website with with 10s of thousands of entries (with full content) using a .gov URL for a ruse whose lifespan would be a few days at most and only care about in select forums makes more sense?

Here’s a submission for FCA from 2015, over 10,000 files prior, that only mentions a Viper GTC name change;
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/29292

All that effort, for this level of payoff? Not bloody likely. About as unlikely as a 368HP 2L engine in a Wrangler that crawls slowly over a trail with zero airflow and limited cooling.

There is definitely a market for a premium Wrangler. I will buy one!
Sure there is that market, and if FCA wanted it, they could’ve gone after it a long time ago with the option that’s still better than a 2.0T @ 368HP... the existing Hemi @ 400HP/400lbft that people are already paying a $20K+ premium to AEV to acquire.

Even if the 2.0T were making those Typo numbers, it would still be less potent than the 5.7L for everyone other than people at altitude who lose power due to elevation.

But sure let’s go with the likely story that FCA would build a 348-368HP 2.0T to put it in their Wrangler, instead of in their Challenger/Charger that are already competing with a turbo 4 in their market, because a typo is unthinkable, despite many other examples to the contrary on the site itself.
 

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I did not see much discussion about the turbo type on this engine and the guesswork around it!
 

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diesels are all about torque + best used in long hauls benefitting from the torque made @ lower RPMS. as for todays turbo charged engines the use of DI allows higher cylinder pressure aka more boost earlier without engine knocking. factory tuning is generally mild for longevity + reliability using lower boost than possible. upgrading the tuning with more boost, timing + proper fueling can produce big gains!! go to the goapr.com site a see the big increases possible from a VW or Audi 2.0T engine, milder tunes are used for automatic tranny protection + more aggressive tunes can create drivetrain issues. turbos are great power producers used with DI allowing more power produced with smaller engines + better MPGs the driving force behind it all. changing oil on time with at least a group III oils aka highly refined CRUDE legally "synthetic" is required + best power is obtained with premium fuel although regular piss will work while the computer keeps the engine from knocking by pulling timing + slowing boost!! after all an engine is just an air pump, more air aka more boost + fuel makes more power, how about a 1,000 hp on a 2L engine!! of course thats a full race turbo'd setup on very high octane race gas!!! the twin scroll turbo setup helps with turbo lag as the turbo gets bigger, twin turbo's are even better but more $$$$
 

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Sure a typo seems illogical, but creating a website with with 10s of thousands of entries (with full content) using a .gov URL for a ruse whose lifespan would be a few days at most and only care about in select forums makes more sense?

Here’s a submission for FCA from 2015, over 10,000 files prior, that only mentions a Viper GTC name change;
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/29292

All that effort, for this level of payoff? Not bloody likely. About as unlikely as a 368HP 2L engine in a Wrangler that crawls slowly over a trail with zero airflow and limited cooling.



Sure there is that market, and if FCA wanted it, they could’ve gone after it a long time ago with the option that’s still better than a 2.0T @ 368HP... the existing Hemi @ 400HP/400lbft that people are already paying a $20K+ premium to AEV to acquire.

Even if the 2.0T were making those Typo numbers, it would still be less potent than the 5.7L for everyone other than people at altitude who lose power due to elevation.

But sure let’s go with the likely story that FCA would build a 348-368HP 2.0T to put it in their Wrangler, instead of in their Challenger/Charger that are already competing with a turbo 4 in their market, because a typo is unthinkable, despite many other examples to the contrary on the site itself.
Well typo, fake, illogical engine design for a Wrangler or all of the above. The truth will be revealed soon.

Regarding the premium powered Wrangler market. FCA stayed with the base JK platform for a decade. Generally only minor tweaks and cosmetic changes. Was the JK platform truly suitable for the premium power?

With what looks like a longer, wider track platform and all new technology this would be the time to add a premium powered version.
 

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wow sounds awesome but its it too good to be true? I wonder where the torque will come in at? will it need 92 octane gas? and I wonder about reliability in the desert@ 100 degrees once it hits about 90 K on the odo? Please some one lighten this old dinosaur on these new fangle motors,!!
 

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That's some serious forced induction, because even the Mustang's 2.3T only makes 310, but then again, Ford's 2.3 in the Focus RS makes 350.
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