Jeep Wrangler 4xe will be name of PHEV Hybrid Electric model. Coming late 2020

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My buddy has a Tesla and says it’s terrible for trips, repair times are terrible and loss of value is equally as bad. He said he would never recommend one. I drove it and it’s nice but it seems like they put the cart before the horse, infrastructure for support in terms of repairs and charging stations just aren’t there. He got the home charger and said his electricity bill tripled.
I think charging costs really depend on individual situations. We put solar on our home 3 years ago. Initially it had a 7-year payoff period but with rising electricity rates in CA it's down to 4.5, so we are 1.5 years away from "free electricity". Last year, even with charging our Volt November/December our total electricity bill for the year was $61. YMMV.





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Blank the incentive...if I wanted an incentive I'd buy a Prius
This may be the most ignorant post I've read on here.
 

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Application is the issue. The Volt and i3 were passenger cars with little to no payload or work duty requirements. As such, either of those cars could be pushed down the road with a 60 hp 3-cylinder motor sufficiently. In the volt, at highway speed the electric motor actually turned off and a clutch connected the ICE directly to the wheels as that was more efficient then generating electricity. Plus, the Volt was sold at a pretty significant loss to GM.

In a truck or Jeep application, the load requirements are exponentially higher than a passenger car. Big tires, loaded down heavy, or towing, there are times we are at WOT asking for everything the little pentastar can supply. For instance, running 80mph down the highway requires double the horsepower and fuel as running at 50 mph. Just how big and heavy of a battery are you going to install to try to make up the difference? What happens when the battery runs out? Are you willing to drop your speed down to 50 instead of 80 until you get to your destination because that's all the horsepower your "range extender" makes?
Well said. A small ICE engine only works for passenger vehicles that aren't expected to be modified or to go off road.

I'm only a buyer if it comes with a normal engine and the EV power as well. I would prefer the 3.6 + the EV, but I would settle for the 4 pot and the EV.

I do, however, regret giving up the 6 speed. I have some other cars for that though.
 

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Hate to burst anyone’s granola-filled bubbles, and dreams of silently creeping through the wilderness and becoming one with Mother Gaia, but when running in electric-only mode the new wrangler will likely have to make an obnoxious artificial noise. See the article below on requirements for traveling below 18 mph:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17059694/hybrid-ev-car-noise-nhtsa-nissan?_gl=1*os8wb1*

On the plus side, maybe future Tazers will let you turn it off or at the very least replace whatever sound FCA installs with a loop of “Kumbaya”
 

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Hate to burst anyone’s granola-filled bubbles, and dreams of silently creeping through the wilderness and becoming one with Mother Gaia, but when running in electric-only mode the new wrangler will likely have to make an obnoxious artificial noise. See the article below on requirements for traveling below 18 mph:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17059694/hybrid-ev-car-noise-nhtsa-nissan?_gl=1*os8wb1*

On the plus side, maybe future Tazers will let you turn it off or at the very least replace whatever sound FCA installs with a loop of “Kumbaya”
And somehow my cousin's Tesla Model 3 is creepily quiet. Maybe she found a way to turn it off, who knows.
 

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Hate to burst anyone’s granola-filled bubbles, and dreams of silently creeping through the wilderness and becoming one with Mother Gaia, but when running in electric-only mode the new wrangler will likely have to make an obnoxious artificial noise. See the article below on requirements for traveling below 18 mph:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17059694/hybrid-ev-car-noise-nhtsa-nissan?_gl=1*os8wb1*

On the plus side, maybe future Tazers will let you turn it off or at the very least replace whatever sound FCA installs with a loop of “Kumbaya”
Or, you know, unplug the speaker. Super complicated, I know.
 

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I think charging costs really depend on individual situations. We put solar on our home 3 years ago. Initially it had a 7-year payoff period but with rising electricity rates in CA it's down to 4.5, so we are 1.5 years away from "free electricity". Last year, even with charging our Volt November/December our total electricity bill for the year was $61. YMMV.
Noce you guys went solar! That really reduces your bill. I need to tell my buddy to do this haha
 

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Yep...federal mandate is annoying as shit on our RAV4 Hybrid.
Oh wow, it’s annoying? I was under the impression that for cars where it was already implemented, you don’t really hear it from inside the car unless you roll the windows down. Is that when it annoys you, or also even with the windows rolled up?

And somehow my cousin's Tesla Model 3 is creepily quiet. Maybe she found a way to turn it off, who knows.
The mandate doesn’t take full effect until late 2020.

Or, you know, unplug the speaker. Super complicated, I know.
It may be simple, it may not. It depends on how jeep engineers hide or embed the speaker. Try disabling the internal speaker on an old PC- the one that provides system errors during POST- not necessarily easy unless you know where to look on the motherboard. On a Jeep it may be as simple as pulling a fuse... but then again, maybe not. Maybe you’ll have an error message on the dash every time you start the jeep when it’s disabled (which a Tazer might be needed to clear).

Further, it introduces a moral and possibly legal dilemma. Say it ends up being a complicated process to disable the speaker, so you decide to leave it off permanently. Then, on the off chance you strike a pedestrian, possibly a blind one (or more likely a person buried in his or her cell phone)- you can no longer say, “sorry, my Jeep is built this way; it’s silent.” You’re responsible for modifying your jeep to be less safe than it was when purchased.
 

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The mandate doesn’t take full effect until late 2020.
Ah maybe she lucked out. That thing is so quiet its creepy. No wonder they want them to make a little bit of noise.
 

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Oh wow, it’s annoying? I was under the impression that for cars where it was already implemented, you don’t really hear it from inside the car unless you roll the windows down. Is that when it annoys you, or also even with the windows rolled up?



The mandate doesn’t take full effect until late 2020.



It may be simple, it may not. It depends on how jeep engineers hide or embed the speaker. Try disabling the internal speaker on an old PC- the one that provides system errors during POST- not necessarily easy unless you know where to look on the motherboard. On a Jeep it may be as simple as pulling a fuse... but then again, maybe not. Maybe you’ll have an error message on the dash every time you start the jeep when it’s disabled (which a Tazer might be needed to clear).

Further, it introduces a moral and possibly legal dilemma. Say it ends up being a complicated process to disable the speaker, so you decide to leave it off permanently. Then, on the off chance you strike a pedestrian, possibly a blind one (or more likely a person buried in his or her cell phone)- you can no longer say, “sorry, my Jeep is built this way; it’s silent.” You’re responsible for modifying your jeep to be less safe than it was when purchased.
A legal dilemma is a real issue. They made the Prius have a sound because it was dead silent so pedestrians could hear and notice it while crossing streets.
 

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Wasn’t there a thing that whistled to scare deer off? It probably wasn’t making noise until a certain speed
 

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But your caveat means nothing b/c we can't even begin to get an idea of what size engine would be adequate, let alone what kind of mileage one could expect b/c the weight differences between the cases are so drastically different.

One thing is certain, 420 miles or whatever you said for those tiny commuter cars, isn't feasible on a Wrangler sized vehicle.
You said it yourself, we can't begin to get an idea, so why are we arguing about the pros/cons now? I think we should see and wait what FCA has to reveal at CES, it's pointless to debate at this point. I can't imagine FCA will reveal the Wrangler 4xe with the tagline, "It's more expensive and heavier, but hey it has less range and efficiency! Line for deposits starts here!"

Considering our Pathfinder 4x4 has a range of 300 miles (small tank combined with 15 MPG avg), anything above that would be an improvement.
 

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