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Jeep® Introduces New 6.4-liter V-8 Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept

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  • Jeep® Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept’s V-8 engine amps up Jeep fun-to-drive quotient and Trail Rated 4x4 capability
  • 6.4-liter V-8 engine with 392 cubic inches of displacement results in 450 horsepower,450 lb.-ft. of torque and a 0-60 mph time of less than five seconds
  • The Jeep brand’s exclusive Trail Rated criteria have been enhanced with the Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept
  • Unmatched 4x4 capability courtesy of added torque, Dana 44 axles, full-time two-speed transfer case, electric front- and rear-axle lockers, 37-inch mud-terrain tires and a Jeep Performance Parts two-inch factory lift kit
  • Robust eight-speed transmission, massive low-end torque and 3.73 gear ratio combine to deliver improved on-road performance and greater off-road capability
  • Two-mode exhaust alters performance sound at touch of a button
  • Custom exterior design features half doors, Granite Crystal paint and Bronze-colored accents on tow hooks, springs, shocks, wheels and badging
  • Unique interior features Red Rock-colored leather seats with gold stitching and a performance steering wheel
July 13, 2020 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - The last time the most recognizable vehicle on the planet was offered with a V-8 engine was in the 1981 Jeep® CJ, with its 5.0-liter V-8 that delivered 125 horsepower and 220 lb.-ft. of torque.

Jeep enthusiasts have been clamoring for a V-8-powered production Wrangler in recent years and the new Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept is an indication they may soon get their wish.

The Jeep brand has introduced its new Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept, powered by a 6.4-liter (392-cubic-inch) V-8 engine that delivers 450 horsepower and 450 lb.-ft. of torque, and a 0-60 mph time of less than five seconds. Dana 44 axles, a full-time two-speed transfer case, electric front and rear axle lockers, 37-inch mud-terrain tires and a Jeep Performance Parts two-inch lift kit from Mopar combine with suspension enhancements, a more robust eight-speed transmission and the massive V-8 power plant to deliver the ultimate fun-to-drive Jeep vehicle with more off-road capability than ever in a Jeep Wrangler.

“Jeep Wrangler enthusiasts have been asking us for a Wrangler V-8 and our new Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept proves that we have the ability to make that happen,” said Jim Morrison, Head of Jeep Brand – FCA North America. “From the recently introduced 29-mpg Wrangler EcoDiesel to our award-winning Jeep Gladiator, and the upcoming Wrangler 4xe plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, Jeep is clearly listening to its customers. We are anxious to gauge their reaction to this new Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept, a vehicle that delivers an incredible and unmatched level of fun-to-drive performance and capability, on- and off-road.”

Power, performance and capability on- and off-road
To accommodate its 6.4-liter V-8 engine and a stronger eight-speed transmission, the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept features upgraded engine mounts and a modified frame. Suspension upgrades include new aluminum, monotube Fox shocks for improved damping and heat dissipation. A two-mode exhaust alters the performance sound at the touch of a button.

The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept boasts even more capability courtesy of third-generation Dana 44 axles, a Selec-Track full-time two-speed transfer case, Tru-Lok electric front- and rear-axle locking differentials and 37-inch mud-terrain tires that wrap around custom 17-inch beadlock wheels that hold the tires to the rims under extreme lateral loads, allowing for reduced tire pressure operation and added traction.

A factory Jeep Performance Parts two-inch lift kit from Mopar makes way for additional suspension articulation and improved approach, breakover and departure angles. The Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept also features Rubicon rock rails, steel bumpers with a Warn winch and a steel belly pan – all added to help navigate the toughest off-road terrains.

The more robust eight-speed automatic transmission and full-time 4x4 transfer case improve overall drivability, and massive amounts of low-end torque allow for a 3.73 gear ratio, which delivers improved highway efficiency and a greater range of off-road capability.

Enhanced Jeep Trail Rated capability
The Jeep brand boasts several Trail Rated criteria, which are improved on the Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept, specifically:
  • Traction is improved courtesy of 450 lb.-ft. of torque and custom 17-inch beadlock wheels
  • A factory Jeep Performance Parts two-inch lift kit and 37-inch tires combine to improve articulation and contribute to unprecedented levels of water fording capability (34 inches) and ground clearance (13.25 inches), as well as improved approach (51.6 degrees), breakover (29.5 degrees) and departure (40.1 degrees) angles.
Unique, custom design inside and out
The new Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept features Granite Crystal exterior paint adorned with Bronze accentuated tow hooks, badging, springs, shocks and wheels, while featuring a heavy-duty raised performance hood with an aggressive appearance, custom half doors and Wrangler’s Sky One-touch powertop, with removable side panels for complete open-air freedom.

Inside, the Wrangler Rubicon 392 Concept features rich Red Rock-colored leather bolstered seats with gold stitching, along with a performance steering wheel.

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Meh. A V8 won't happen. Just sell the half doors!





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If they are willing to add the HEMI, it should be an upgrade package for everything from sport up.
Locking it into a Rubicon so they can sell it for 80k+ is trash.
sure, have the Rubicon as the Flagship poster Jeep for the 392
392 package.
HEMI
Hood
Red leather optional
Wide D44s, locked, open, LSD rear/locked front options
Choice of gearing from 3.73 up.
Optional Electronic sway bar disco
Optional Lift from 2-3.5
Optional 33,35 or 37" tires subject to lift and trim option
MAKE THE HALF DOORS AN OPTION ON EVERY WRANGLER DAMNIT
Make it an escalating package starts at 12k and goes up from there.

I personally have no interest in it...450 HP gets me in trouble or DEAD.
325hp/400tq would be nice though for the street and trails.

They will price it out of 90% of customers price range and maybe sell a few thousand if it happens.
 

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If they are willing to add the HEMI, it should be an upgrade package for everything from sport up.
Locking it into a Rubicon so they can sell it for 80k+ is trash.
sure, have the Rubicon as the Flagship poster Jeep for the 392
392 package.
HEMI
Hood
Red leather optional
Wide D44s, locked, open, LSD rear/locked front options
Choice of gearing from 3.73 up.
Optional Electronic sway bar disco
Optional Lift from 2-3.5
Optional 33,35 or 37" tires subject to lift and trim option
MAKE THE HALF DOORS AN OPTION ON EVERY WRANGLER DAMNIT
Make it an escalating package starts at 12k and goes up from there.

I personally have no interest in it...450 HP gets me in trouble or DEAD.
325hp/400tq would be nice though for the street and trails.

They will price it out of 90% of customers price range and maybe sell a few thousand if it happens.
I would say 99% of customers. I’m just thinking how much will be required with dropping a 392 in a Wrangler. New axles, driveshafts, control arms, just to name a few things.
 

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If they are willing to add the HEMI, it should be an upgrade package for everything from sport up.
Locking it into a Rubicon so they can sell it for 80k+ is trash.
sure, have the Rubicon as the Flagship poster Jeep for the 392
392 package.
HEMI
Hood
Red leather optional
Wide D44s, locked, open, LSD rear/locked front options
Choice of gearing from 3.73 up.
Optional Electronic sway bar disco
Optional Lift from 2-3.5
Optional 33,35 or 37" tires subject to lift and trim option
MAKE THE HALF DOORS AN OPTION ON EVERY WRANGLER DAMNIT
Make it an escalating package starts at 12k and goes up from there.

I personally have no interest in it...450 HP gets me in trouble or DEAD.
325hp/400tq would be nice though for the street and trails.

They will price it out of 90% of customers price range and maybe sell a few thousand if it happens.
They won’t want to make too many as it will screw up CAFE #. If we get a blue wave in Nov I suspect it can’t happen.
 

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They won’t want to make too many as it will screw up CAFE #. If we get a blue wave in Nov I suspect it can’t happen.
I suspect that the 4xe will be looked at to offset the Hemi.

After all, the head of powertrains was uncommonly honest last year.

www.thedetroitbureau.com/2019/06/exclusive-fca-has-big-news-coming-in-electrification/

There’s still no clear indication consumers are demanding electrified products, said Bly, especially in the U.S., but the need to move forward, anyway, is driven by two words: “government compliance.”

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As for the U.S., even if the Trump Administration rolls back the Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, standards, Bly expects that FCA and its rivals will still need to turn to battery-based drivetrains moving forward.

Meanwhile, he stressed, it is no longer effective to craft different drivetrain technologies for individual markets. FCA needs a broad and cohesive global approach.
They're forced to do it regardless of what consumers demand. And electrification will offset the V8s that consumers still want.
 

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They won’t want to make too many as it will screw up CAFE #. If we get a blue wave in Nov I suspect it can’t happen.
Part of the reason why this thing probably needs to be $80K+ is because FCA buys a whole lot of regulatory credits (from companies like Tesla). Gotta pass that cost on.
 

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I keep wondering about those factory bead lock rims that are on this concept. Most systems are not SAE compliant, which is why so many aftermarket ones are sold as "off road use only", so it makes me curious if they will actually make it out of the concept stage.

As for the 392, I'm with others in that this is a stop-gap for the turbo I6. This move obviously puts some attention back on the Wrangler and will help upscale the model lineup with a new "special" edition.

Sadly I lost interest when the article said it would only be paired with an auto. And the execs say they listen to the customers... I guess the manual enthusiest base is too small to cater towards anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am glad they not only launched the JL with one, but improved it over the JK. But after the initial launch, no other engine choices were offered with one.
 

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The cost to federalize the powertrain combo would far outweigh any cost-benefit from offering it for sale. Profit is the name of the game and like it or not manuals just aren't a profit center.

Sadly I lost interest when the article said it would only be paired with an auto. And the execs say they listen to the customers... I guess the manual enthusiest base is too small to cater towards anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am glad they not only launched the JL with one, but improved it over the JK. But after the initial launch, no other engine choices were offered with one.
 

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Flagship, blah, marketing, blah. Point is it's not practical and they'd sell so few it's not even a good move. As others have said, It's just a ploy to draw attention away from a fresh new offering from the competition ...the Bronco, which has many of the Rubicon "options" as standard in a base Bronco...anyway, who cares about that.

Flagship or not, we'll use the Raptor as an example. I highly doubt that Ford sells nearly 1,000,000 F150's a year because of their "flagship" F150 Raptor. They sell that many because it's an F150, and people and construction like and rely on them. Not to mention Ford continuously upgrades and re-designs their cash cow. Ford would be nowhere without the F150. Which doesn't make it a comparable product to Jeep but F150 is to Ford, what Jeep is to well I guess Jeep...Wrangler is their "flagship" product.

To say that this mystical unicorn 392 is gonna cast a spell over the whole Jeep lineup and magic fairy dust will fall upon all Jeeps is somewhat delusional. lol...as I've said previously...just like a Jeep for a Jeep (as I do), the 392 is not the saviour and more PRACTICAL options (which everyone would be interested in), more choices and fix EXISTING Jeep issues is the way to compete. And marketing only works so well when it can apply to a vast majority of people. I rarely, if EVER, see a Raptor add, I always see F150 ads. I'd be willing to put money down that probably 75-80% of the people who have F150s even thought about or knew that the Raptor existed before purchasing. Hell, I tell people I have a GT350R...they say oh, a Mustang...they have no clue, but they know a Mustang. Yes, the GT350 maybe has helped Ford sell a few more Mustangs, but Ford sets out on these pursuits because they want to offer something unique to their customers and a nod to their heritage.

It's like, Ford says, "here it is Ford fans, the new Bronco you've been waiting for for like 25 years, look at all the cool features and new, fresh design with power options and new flashy colours"

Jeep: "Forget about the Bronco, come buy our massive 6.4L 392 motor for $80K, it's a big motor...Bronco can't stand a chance with our Jeep having so much power" ...that is if the Jeep makes it to the trail in the first place. With that much power, Jeep will be going pretty damn fast before most will even realize how fast they're going...

Explorer sales are similar to Wrangler sales...nothing else to really challenge the Wrangler right now, so it's just for comparison. If they can sell that many Explorers I feel there will be that or more interest in the Bronco or Bronco Sport (as this is kind of between an Escape and an Explorer...I feel like one or both will be discontinued eventually if the Bronco succeeds). And if they even sell 100,000 Broncos that's is nearly half of ALL Wrangler sales for the year.

So, I'm not saying Bronco is better or anything like that. I'm saying Jeep needs to step up and not just by offering a 392 motor, they need more.

I know this is not a Bronco vs Wrangler thread, I'm simply outlining the competition and that the 392 doesn't seem like a good play...

Ford Explorer Sales:
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/ford-explorer-sales-figures/

Wrangler Sales:
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/jeep-wrangler-sales-figures/

F series sales by year
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/ford-f-series-sales-figures/

Yearsold
2005901,463
2006796,039
2007691,589
2008515,513
2009413,625
2010528,349
2011584,917
2012692,589
2013764,402
2014753,851
2015780,354
2016820,799
2017896,764
2018909,330
2019896,526
 

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A lot of you seem to really be stuck on this $80k price prediction. I guess that is possible, but realistically why would this engine add $20k in costs? The 5.7 in the truck is only $1500 option over the 3.6.

Jeep could just as easily, put a red interior, some Fox shocks, the 5.7, and some 35 inch tires into a much cheaper package
 

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A lot of you seem to really be stuck on this $80k price prediction. I guess that is possible, but realistically why would this engine add $20k in costs? The 5.7 in the truck is only $1500 option over the 3.6.

Jeep could just as easily, put a red interior, some Fox shocks, the 5.7, and some 35 inch tires into a much cheaper package
Who knows really, I just quoted that cause others think that...kinda irrelevant cause it's just a concept...

I think others have got to that because of the diesel pricing. But with that hemi you're not only getting more torque you're getting what? 80% more horsepower? MAJOR suspension upgrades required, but others who have converted would know more. And those "others" may be a lot more "responsible" than most..just saying. You don't invest $30K into a Hemi conversion and drive your Wrangler like a maniac.

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I don't know about you but 99.9% of my driving is done on the road, not the trail. I love the trails and the Wrangler is a rockstar there, but let's be real. The Wrangler's shortcomings are evident where most people drive their vehicles - the road. I was willing to make compromises when Wrangler was the only product in the segment. Not so much anymore now that there are choices.

As I've said before, it's Jeep's turn to show us what they have by way of meaningful improvements.
So, you expect Jeep to water down the Wrangler to compete for who looks the most bad ass in a parking lot?

The Wrangler was primarily designed to access places that no other daily driver could come close to reaching. With every successive generation they continue to improve its on road manners, without sacrificing offroad capability, because they know full well that paved miles will be higher than the unpaved.

Every vehicle segment comes with advantages and disadvantages. Buyers, who exercise due diligence, choose a specific segment and the compromises that come with it because it fits their lifestyle and intended use.

Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more common for "due diligence", "compromise", and concern towards "fitting ones lifestyle and use" to get back seated by ones concern over their public image. That's proven by every mention made about how little time one may spend off road. That's further proven by every advocate of having double the amount of weatherstripping and potential for leaks, because the lighter than previous hardtop is still too daunting of a task to remove. That's just a couple examples of the result of someone who made a poor decision in what vehicle they purchased, all because public image was at the top of their priority list.

People need to start looking at these 2 vehicles for what they really are, and truly ask themselves what does or doesn't fit with what that specific vehicle was designed for. The Wrangler prioritizes extreme off road capability, with pavement as a secondary concern. The Bronco prioritizes pavement, with off road as its secondary concern.

Competition is great. The Bronco won't dethrone the Wrangler as king of the trails, but it will certainly gobble up those who don't plan on straying off the mild trails and also the image conscious crowd.

I hope the Bronco succeeds in its realistic arena. My wife reserved one and I'm happy to see her happy and excited. It's also sparked a new found interest in her joining me on future adventures. I guess it was just a matter of getting her into her own driver's seat.
 

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