Jeep humor waiting room ( ** NO POLITICS ** )

[yokramer]

Man why is reading and actually thinking when you do your job so hard? Estimator puts a quarter mounted t/l on the Estimate and yet cant take 5 seconds to check to make sure his braindead just selected the cheapest option available is the right one.

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[Twisted10]

looks like back in Nam

 

[DonH63]

i'm not sure of i ask this question. is 3.73 and 35s a good combo? i know i asked about 4.10 and 35s. that would be a preferred set up.

I'm pretty sure you've asked...

Anyway, FWIWFM (not much) I would not go that tall with 35" tires. Might work at sea level and with the torquey 2.0 but to me even 4.10 is borderline. You will of course get numerous answers from folk saying it'll be fine, and to get it and try it before changing gears, but getting the right gears stock from the factory is way cheaper and less hassle than having to change them later.

Personally I'd go for 4.56 unless it is to be mostly a road Jeep, in which case 4.10's would probably suffice. For the trails, 4.88's would be great, but you will pay more on the road. I have driven a 3.6L XR with 4.56 and 4.88 gears but honestly don't remember much. The 4.88's were nice off the line, and on their little off-road course, but a drive on a highway had the engine rev'd pretty high. The 4.56's seemed a good balance and were what came standard with the XR package (35" tires) then; I personally can't imagine running 3.73's. I did not try a 2.0 XR best I recall (hardly test drove the 2.0 and none had 35" that I recall). If I was getting 35" tires I'd definitely get 4.56 gears, and if had any plans to go to 37" get the 4.88's.

My 392 XR has 4.56 gears stock FWIW.

 

[DonH63]

Florida (well at least Escambia County) has a decent program tied to your phone (text) or email. Although they don't do a good job of explaining how it works so first time is a little OJT. Anyway you go online and get in "electronic" line putting your info in and what you need (in my case register a new car). It puts you in line and sends a text/email letting you know how many are ahead of you (I was #40 when I started, DMV knows approx how many they can handle when there open so there is a cutoff on the number they'll do each day, guessing around 80 based on what the clerk told me and I mention below).

You can then do whatever you want (sit at home, run errands, etc), system sends updates as you move up in the "electronic" line. One of the DMV clerks gave me a heads up that it averages 10 spots an hour so when your alerts go under 10 it's time to think about heading to the DMV you scheduled at. I waited until I was down to 7 and left my house (about a 15-20 minute ride). Did get a little nervous when I was about halfway there and a text came in stating I was now #5. Arrived at the DMV #3 in line and 15 minutes later was doing the paperwork. System works great once you know how but it would help if they gave an example/info for your first time.

Oh, new vehicle registrations take longer so for driver's license they can do more in an hour - I should have asked about those numbers and how fast they move.

That makes too much sense for CO. I set up an appointment, had to check in on time, and it still took about 2.5 hours before I left the place (mostly waiting, maybe ten minutes for the license). The "appointment" is just to reserve a spot for whenever they get around to seeing you. They told me if I was more than 15 minutes late for my "appointment" I would be dropped and have to schedule a new appointment, after getting there and finding out (complaining) the appointment time was basically permission to line up in their waiting room and not the actual appointment time.

 

[DonH63]

I mean when budget cuts decimate the number of employees what do you expect to happen?

Heading into political territory, but so far the total number of job cuts is significantly less than what the previous administration added, so overall still ahead in head count. Working for a company that believed in cutting about 10%/quarter, not always offset by new hires, I think being laid off sucks but the gov't is overdue for some trimming. That said, I have worked with some awesome people at DMV, and some real a-holes.

 

[stil2low]

I'm pretty sure you've asked...

Anyway, FWIWFM (not much) I would not go that tall with 35" tires. Might work at sea level and with the torquey 2.0 but to me even 4.10 is borderline. You will of course get numerous answers from folk saying it'll be fine, and to get it and try it before changing gears, but getting the right gears stock from the factory is way cheaper and less hassle than having to change them later.

Personally I'd go for 4.56 unless it is to be mostly a road Jeep, in which case 4.10's would probably suffice. For the trails, 4.88's would be great, but you will pay more on the road. I have driven a 3.6L XR with 4.56 and 4.88 gears but honestly don't remember much. The 4.88's were nice off the line, and on their little off-road course, but a drive on a highway had the engine rev'd pretty high. The 4.56's seemed a good balance and were what came standard with the XR package (35" tires) then; I personally can't imagine running 3.73's. I did not try a 2.0 XR best I recall (hardly test drove the 2.0 and none had 35" that I recall). If I was getting 35" tires I'd definitely get 4.56 gears, and if had any plans to go to 37" get the 4.88's.

My 392 XR has 4.56 gears stock FWIW.

Back in the day of my first jeep, a 13 JKU with 3.21 and 35’s.. that was a chore hahaha. Second jeep a 15 JK was better with 3.73 and 35’s, better but not great
Third was the 19 JLU with 3.41’s and 35’s. it did well, the non ethanol fuel up here helped tremendously tho. Now the 21 JT with 4.10’s and 37’s works well. I’m happy with it, tows very well and will kick down to 7th and cruise at 20mpg

 

[DonH63]

Good news today. The polyps they found were benign. No cancer here. So less frequent checks.

Awesome, lucky man! My next one is this fall, can hardly wait...

 

[DonH63]

Back in the day of my first jeep, a 13 JKU with 3.21 and 35’s.. that was a chore hahaha. Second jeep a 15 JK was better with 3.73 and 35’s, better but not great
Third was the 19 JLU with 3.41’s and 35’s. it did well, the non ethanol fuel up here helped tremendously tho. Now the 21 JT with 4.10’s and 37’s works well. I’m happy with it, tows very well and will kick down to 7th and cruise at 20mpg

Should have further qualified my answer by noting I live at altitude (house is at ~7500', trails usually higher, sometimes much higher) so we already take a 20~25% power hit on a normally aspirated engine. That's why I said "at sea level" -- out (up) here I didn't want to give up anything more. The turbo can certainly help, but I don't have enough (really any) time in the 2.0L turbo to say for myself if 4.10's would work well there. Sounds like it is a great combination.

 

[Remorseless]

Should have further qualified my answer by noting I live at altitude (house is at ~7500', trails usually higher, sometimes much higher) so we already take a 20~25% power hit on a normally aspirated engine. That's why I said "at sea level" -- out (up) here I didn't want to give up anything more. The turbo can certainly help, but I don't have enough (really any) time in the 2.0L turbo to say for myself if 4.10's would work well there. Sounds like it is a great combination.

He's got a 3.6 in his JT. JT doesn't have a 2.0 option as of right now.

 

[DonH63]

He's got a 3.6 in his JT. JT doesn't have a 2.0 option as of right now.

Oops, missed that he had a JT.

There were charts earlier showing torque curves but seemed like they didn't show the low end real well? But showed the 3.6L over the 4.0L over the upper power band... Anyway, 4.10's and 37" tires towing is pretty impressive to me, though I've forgotten the gearing of the rest of the power train and that makes a big difference, natch. My vague memory of my test drives is that 4.56's worked with 35" tires, never drove one with 37" tires, but a friend with a JL and 37" has 4.56's and does fine IIRC. The 2.0L's I drove had 4.10's, I think (not sure), and did OK but had 33" tires.

I never drove a 4xe, was not something I was ever going to get, but the numbers are impressive and the few folk I know with them say they have great low end torque. No idea what gears they have.

Best I have ever done with my 392 was around 20~21 mpg tooling around local open roads and driving gently during the break-in period. Average highway/city/trail closer to 14, though without including trail time it's around 16 or 17 mpg (mostly highway). At altitude, natch. Didn't buy it for great mileage, which isn't really a Jeep thing (or Chrysler/Dodge thing) anyway.

 

[Tech Tim]

Happy Friday all!

For all the PNW peeps, this Sunday is the Moonshiner's 4x4 Swap Meet in Puyallup.

From rusty to new to vintage to absolute garbage, you'll probably find it there.

 

[DonH63]

Speaking of engines, read a blurb locally about a young guy who found a Willys with a Hurricane for sale and was really excited about that much power. He went to see it, but it wasn't quite what he expected... From Wikipedia:

"The Willys F4-134 Hurricane was an inline-4 F-head piston engine that powered the M38A1 military Jeep in 1952, followed by the famous Jeep CJ in the CJ-3B, CJ-5, and CJ-6 models."

Personally, having a vintage Willys would be cool, but he went home without it... And I thought I was bad on identifying cars (Jeeps)! Live and learn...

 

[Krondor]

Morning all!

Hey man! Where you been?

Staying hot out there?

 

[Twisted10]

Oops, missed that he had a JT.

There were charts earlier showing torque curves but seemed like they didn't show the low end real well? But showed the 3.6L over the 4.0L over the upper power band... Anyway, 4.10's and 37" tires towing is pretty impressive to me, though I've forgotten the gearing of the rest of the power train and that makes a big difference, natch. My vague memory of my test drives is that 4.56's worked with 35" tires, never drove one with 37" tires, but a friend with a JL and 37" has 4.56's and does fine IIRC. The 2.0L's I drove had 4.10's, I think (not sure), and did OK but had 33" tires.

I never drove a 4xe, was not something I was ever going to get, but the numbers are impressive and the few folk I know with them say they have great low end torque. No idea what gears they have.

Best I have ever done with my 392 was around 20~21 mpg tooling around local open roads and driving gently during the break-in period. Average highway/city/trail closer to 14, though without including trail time it's around 16 or 17 mpg (mostly highway). At altitude, natch. Didn't buy it for great mileage, which isn't really a Jeep thing (or Chrysler/Dodge thing) anyway.

12-14 seems normal for the 392. cant wait til i put 38's on...

 

[Laststand]

Yea ours tries to be that but fails HARD. The number you are given is a letter with 3 numbers. And the way to call them is completely random it seems, I was E474 and got a notification that I should head in at 2:30 I got in and E470 was on the screen being helped then sat watching C104-C120 be called a few As Hs and Os called. Finally E473 got called and it was ANOTHER 45mins before I got called. Shits wild

Wow, sounds as if the NC system takes everyone, no matter what they want done (license, registration, etc) through the same funnel. I know different processes take a lot longer than others. I believe the FL system splits folks out depending on what they need done, for instance my car registration (lengthier process) "line" and numbering was completely separate from folks renewing license (easier/faster). Those just getting their first license and or had to take a driver exam (driving) were another group.

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