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And you would be wrong.

From reading your posts I see your worldview and mine are polar opposites. So it's a waste of both of our time trying to have a discussion about this topic. I wish you well and hope you don't contract the virus.

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Respectfully, you don’t know that. It’s impossible for you or anyone you know to know because, objectively, you or they aren’t familiar with every case at every hospital and completing the death certificates.
 

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I’ll add those people and those involved in transporting down to the bagger at the store are heroes and we should be thanking them for their sacrifice rather than berating them and even remotely insinuating they are dumb.
Completely agree that everyone who is involved in keeping society functioning during this pandemic are heroes. Not sure who you think was berating them or calling them dumb.

What I'm hoping people realize is that this virus can explode anywhere. The example of the pork processing plant in South Dakota is to show that everything seems fine, until it isn't. Last week, folks in South Dakota probably thought things were pretty safe. They had less than 250 cases of the virus Statewide. Then suddenly, out of the blue, 240 cases at the processing plant, and those 240 cases touch so many other lives. If everyone is social distancing, even though they think everything is fine and safe, then the spread from surprise outbreaks can be severely lessened. If not, the spread can be explosive.

I'm one of those that believes we can show our appreciation for the heroes that are keeping society running during this pandemic by staying home, social distancing, and making their jobs safer. (And save the PPE for the heroes. If you need a mask, make one yourself, it's really easy.)

And pressure your elected representatives to get a comprehensive testing and tracing program in place.

Best,
-Tim
 

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Respectfully, you don’t know that. It’s impossible for you or anyone you know to know because, objectively, you or they aren’t familiar with every case at every hospital and completing the death certificates.
You're right, I don't know about every case. But what I see locally is numerous deaths that the medical professionals suspect are Covid-19 related, but they don't have the resources or the time during this pandemic to verify that with certainty, so they aren't being counted. That is why I suspect the actual number of Covid-19 deaths in this country are higher than the 22,000 already reported.
 

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I’m speaking about only the few here that are insulting in regards to where they reside. That includes assuming since they may not be in what’s considered a large city, they know less, are ignorant to stupid. It’s been insinuated.

It can explode anywhere and it will to an extent but it’s all relative to professionals’ ability to handle it in that area. Thus me saying I don’t think people should make long excursions from home and possibly tax others’ support systems, moreso medically.

I think the possibility of the virus returning are likely but we’ll have to leave the house sooner than later. It’s going to happen but it’s up to every individual to minimize exposure.

You can’t stay home and shop, unless you can afford delivery and afford to wait for the long cue of deliveries right now.

Agreed on the PPE. I do think those at higher risk who have to take care of themselves may need accommodation to getting the PPE they need. Even if it’s homemade.

I know this testing and tracing idea is being tossed around but I think it sounds better as an idea than how it may work out.
Completely agree that everyone who is involved in keeping society functioning during this pandemic are heroes. Not sure who you think was berating them or calling them dumb.

What I'm hoping people realize is that this virus can explode anywhere. The example of the pork processing plant in South Dakota is to show that everything seems fine, until it isn't. Last week, folks in South Dakota probably thought things were pretty safe. They had less than 250 cases of the virus Statewide. Then suddenly, out of the blue, 240 cases at the processing plant, and those 240 cases touch so many other lives. If everyone is social distancing, even though they think everything is fine and safe, then the spread from surprise outbreaks can be severely lessened. If not, the spread can be explosive.

I'm one of those that believes we can show our appreciation for the heroes that are keeping society running during this pandemic by staying home, social distancing, and making their jobs safer. (And save the PPE for the heroes. If you need a mask, make one yourself, it's really easy.)

And pressure your elected representatives to get a comprehensive testing and tracing program in place.

Best,
-Tim
 

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Tim, please let your wife know there are far more of us going out of our way not to see her in the ER than there are those that think this is just a joke. I hope she can stay healthy while treating those who think this is just media sensationalism.

Imagine if the hospitals were empowered to treat the only ones who got infected by being isolated and were allowed ignore the rest. I envision the morgue would be full but the waiting room would be as empty as the streets should be.
 

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I wish the “news” wasn’t distracted in Jan and Feb and more proactive informing people of the latest facts of preventing the spread. There’s definitely plenty of fingers to be pointed in ALL directions and imagining something grim with them won’t help anything just like it won’t for anyone else. It’s rather distasteful actually. So before anyone gets on that tower of superiority, hindsight IS 20/20 for everyone because I bet there isn’t one “expert” batting 1000 on predicting how this all unfolded. The luxury of looking back isn’t reality in the heat of the moment. As a country, we’re doing well per capita. 0 would be better but that’s not realistic either.

Also, don’t be a wacko assuming that whoever is out and about isn’t necessary or isn’t following guidelines. That’s a potentially dangerous thinking as well and can feed paranoia. There are careless people. There always will be. There are jerks too. Always will be.

If you need to go out for necessities. Do it following the guidelines. Personally, I won’t begrudge anyone who has locked themselves up for a week or so a modest scenic drive. You can even get gas without touching the pump while maintaining 6’. I’ve topped off once in a month.

If you are essential, thank you. It may not be the greatest situation to be in and you can leave if you want but thanks for not doing that and for allowing us to take care of ourselves, families, and communities.

One thing to agree on is that China is responsible.
 

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My Mom works for Advocate Medical as a RN in Chicago. Out of 12 hospitals there is only weekend work for her. She sits home 5 days a week. Also the head of Advocate posted a video and said at no time during this entire ordeal did they have any shortage of PPEs for their hospitals.
 

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My Mom works for Advocate Medical as a RN in Chicago. Out of 12 hospitals there is only weekend work for her. She sits home 5 days a week. Also the head of Advocate posted a video and said at no time during this entire ordeal did they have any shortage of PPEs for their hospitals.
Let’s hope her workload stays that way and thank her from those of us trying to keep this thing contained. Take care of yourself as well.

I noticed Advocate’s webpage solicits donations for PPE amongst other things. I’m guessing they’re doing this to share with other hospitals that have been hit harder?
 

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Let’s hope her workload stays that way and thank her from those of us trying to keep this thing contained. Take care of yourself as well.

I noticed Advocate’s webpage solicits donations for PPE amongst other things. I’m guessing they’re doing this to share with other hospitals that have been hit harder?
My mom and all her colleagues want to go back to work but Hospitals are 50% empty and losing millions. While an admirable profession I am a bit tired of the hype toward the medical field. IMO the grocery store and gas station employees deserve more credit working for minimum wage. Nurses are well paid.
 

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My mom and all her colleagues want to go back to work but Hospitals are 50% empty and losing millions. While an admirable profession I am a bit tired of the hype toward the medical field. IMO the grocery store and gas station employees deserve more credit working for minimum wage. Nurses are well paid.
No disagreement on the folks that keep the power on, the gas flowing and the groceries bagged. A key difference in those trades compared to those in the hospitals is that few show up at Walmart or Phillips 66 on a stretcher and/or leave in a body bag.....
 

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No disagreement on the folks that keep the power on, the gas flowing and the groceries bagged. A key difference in those trades compared to those in the hospitals is that few show up at Walmart or Phillips 66 on a stretcher and/or leave in a body bag.....
What happens when those employees say fuck it, stay home and people can't buy gas?
 

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Not much. There’s a boatload of people looking for a job right now and the skills required to run a gas station that have mostly self serve pumps isn’t that high. Plus it doesn’t take a 7 year degree just to get started. What if the doctors, nurses and custodians at the hospital said “screw it, people want to get infected at the risk of death, let ‘em” and stayed at home?
 

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Not much. There’s a boatload of people looking for a job right now and the skills required to run a gas station that have mostly self serve pumps isn’t that high. Plus it doesn’t take a 7 year degree just to get started. What if the doctors, nurses and custodians at the hospital said “screw it, people want to get infected at the risk of death, let ‘em” and stayed at home?
... right now. It’s proven poverty and financial hardship, that even Dr’s and Nurses will eventually experience in addition to the baggers from not working, directly correlated to health problems and a shorter lifespan.

I guess we’re waiting for more politicians to tell us the ongoing research trends towards a lower actual death rate vs exposure is actually true before we feel better about returning to normal.
 

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Sadly, I think the worst is yet come. As inventories get consumed while workers are “sheltered at home”, the true edge of impact is extremely difficult to graph. Since few politicians are specialists in the field of pandemics, “returning back to normal” is a coin toss between too soon and too late. Neither of which are appealing but hopefully whichever path chosen doesn’t add to the damage already done. Just an opinion kind of like “steering complaints”, who the hell really knows....LOL
 

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Sadly, I think the worst is yet come. As inventories get consumed while workers are “sheltered at home”, the true edge of impact is extremely difficult to graph. Since few politicians are specialists in the field of pandemics, “returning back to normal” is a coin toss between too soon and too late. Neither of which are appealing but hopefully whichever path chosen doesn’t add to the damage already done. Just an opinion kind of like “steering complaints”, who the hell really knows....LOL
That is a pretty good anaolgy.
 
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