somedude922
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LOL. Traded a jeep for a Audi. Nuff said.
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LOL yeah, an Audi is 10x more expensive to fix than a Jeep and over-complicated at that.LOL. Traded a jeep for a Audi. Nuff said.
Wow...you'd be getting taken to the cleaners on the A4 trade-in at $24k. Even a German sedan shouldnt depreciate 47% in 2 years with 18k miles and in mint condition. I bet that dealer would relist it for around $34k.I bought my wife a 2018 Audi A4 when I bought my 2018 JLU. She is tired of it and wants new car. It has 18000 miles on it and is loaded. Paid 45k. Trade in value is 24k in mint condition. Good cars, just don't hold their value like a jeep Wrangler.
According to kbb an A4 in excellent condition trade in value is between $19k and $29k depending on if it's a base model premium or a fully loaded prestige. Being he paid $45 it's likely the later. Still a 34% depreciation in a few years. For reference our 2019 with 23k miles has only depreciated by 10% according to kbb. I could cut that to 5% by going private party (which is what I paid new). With the lift, low mileage 37's, winch, sliders, etc. I could likely sell it for more than the original msrp. You'll never get that out of an audi.Wow...you'd be getting taken to the cleaners on the A4 trade-in at $24k. Even a German sedan shouldnt depreciate 47% in 2 years with 18k miles and in mint condition. I bet that dealer would relist it for around $34k.
At that age Wranglers depreciate just as fast as other cars do.I bought my wife a 2018 Audi A4 when I bought my 2018 JLU. She is tired of it and wants new car. It has 18000 miles on it and is loaded. Paid 45k. Trade in value is 24k in mint condition. Good cars, just don't hold their value like a jeep Wrangler.
I'm not sure why you're comparing it to a JLU when I didn't talk about it. In his post, he said it was a loaded 2018 Audi A4 in mint condition with 18k miles. KBB Trade-in value is $30K and private party is $35k.According to kbb an A4 in excellent condition trade in value is between $19k and $29k depending on if it's a base model premium or a fully loaded prestige. Being he paid $45 it's likely the later. Still a 34% depreciation in a few years. For reference our 2019 with 23k miles has only depreciated by 10% according to kbb. I could cut that to 5% by going private party (which is what I paid new). With the lift, low mileage 37's, winch, sliders, etc. I could likely sell it for more than the original msrp. You'll never get that out of an audi.
I think you meant pervasive, not persuasive, but as a lifelong resident of Michigan I know exactly what you mean. I've heard so many stories from people who work "in the plants" and had such bad luck with American made cars, that I've probably owned more "foreign" cars than the average Michigan resident. I still remember a bumper sticker I used to see around Lansing in the '80's: "Hungry? Eat your rice burner." Ah, yes, the good old UAW.This was also a very big factor in why I moved away from Michigan. That mentality is truly persuasive there, at least within the automotive industry as a whole.
Jay
We've all heard stories about the work effort and can-do attitude of American citizens during the war and on into the 1950s. That work ethic, and pride in one's work, is largely gone. And...I'm not sure how that changes back - ever.Thanks Ray. You are correct, damn spell check. I just edited my post.
Also yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I grew up in the Metro Detroit area and this outlook was so normal that this mentality was rarely noticed by the people living within it. This was just the way life is.
However, after serving in the Marine Corps then earning a Physics degree and accepting a Software Engineering position at Chrysler, my eyes became sorely aware of just how ubiquitous this mindset had become.
Unfortunately, I do also sense the younger generation are being even more indoctrinated into this 'be ordinary' and not 'be exceptional' attitude. More than any lemon produced, this holds my highest disappointment.
Jay
Me, too, Jay. I grew up in Milford, Michigan (home of the GM Proving Grounds) and back when I graduated from high school (1974) you could go a few miles down the road and immediately start working at the big Ford plant in Wixom, making a heck of a lot more money than I did as a poor kid working my way through college. When I was going to school at Michigan State, I had a buddy who was a millwright at Oldsmobile. He carried a backpack with a pillow and books so he could find some quiet spot in the plant to hole up and read...and he typically came home after lunch (on the midnight shift). He'd just have somebody punch out for him at the end of the shift.... and meanwhile he was making about $100K/year, even back then. He said the only time he ever really worked steadily was model changeover, the rest was just hiding out from the boss.Thanks Ray. You are correct, damn spell check. Perhaps even a Freudian slip. Most people are in fact persuaded into this mindset. However, I just edited my post.
Also yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I grew up in the Metro Detroit area and this outlook was so normal that this mentality was rarely noticed by the people living within it. This was just the way life is.
However, after serving in the Marine Corps then earning a Physics degree and accepting a Software Engineering position at Chrysler, my eyes became sorely aware of just how ubiquitous this mindset had become.
Unfortunately, I do also sense the younger generation are being even more indoctrinated into this 'be ordinary' and not 'be exceptional' attitude. More than any lemon produced, this holds my highest disappointment.
Jay
Yeah, you're right -- I never should have bought the Jeep. The other thing that I was considering at that time was a Toyota 4Runner and I've had AWFULLY good luck with Toyota vehicles over the years (2 Tacomas, 1 Land Cruiser, and a 2000 4Runner Limited). But I just couldn't pull the trigger on a 4Runner -- they're just so ugly now (IMHO). The Wrangler, though, made me smile every time I looked at it.LOL. Traded a jeep for a Audi. Nuff said.
Ray,Me, too, Jay. I grew up in Milford, Michigan (home of the GM Proving Grounds) and back when I graduated from high school (1974) you could go a few miles down the road and immediately start working at the big Ford plant in Wixom, making a heck of a lot more money than I did as a poor kid working my way through college. When I was going to school at Michigan State, I had a buddy who was a millwright at Oldsmobile. He carried a backpack so he could find some quiet spot in the plant to hole up and read books...and he typically came home after lunch (on the midnight shift). He'd just have somebody punch out for him at the end of the shift.... and meanwhile he was making about $100K/year, even back then. He said the only time he ever really worked steadily was model changeover, the rest was just hiding out from the boss.
That's just the way it was...a VERY pervasive attitude that the companies were there to be taken advantage of. That Ford plant in Wixom is now a mall and Oldsmobile, of course, no longer exists. Somebody apparently forgot to tell those guys about killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.
I try to warn people all the time, and I'm a huge jeep fan and have literally owned a dozen or more over the years between the wife and I. The wrangler is the best off road vehicle on the market, but that comes with huge compromises on the road. The high center of gravity that comes with that ground clearance. The solid axle that is great off road for both strength and articulation will never ride as well as a quality ifs. The narrow body with wide fender flares is great for tight trails, but that means cramped interior space compared to a traditionally designed vehicle of the same overall width. Some people just love the look and/or the ability to take the top and doors off enough to accept those compromises. Even within the jeep family the grand Cherokee or even a compass or a Cherokee will be a better daily driver, bad weather, dirt road rig for most people who don't wheel.Yeah, you're right -- I never should have bought the Jeep. The other thing that I was considering at that time was a Toyota 4Runner and I've had AWFULLY good luck with Toyota vehicles over the years (2 Tacomas, 1 Land Cruiser, and a 2000 4Runner Limited). But I just couldn't pull the trigger on a 4Runner -- they're just so ugly now (IMHO). The Wrangler, though, made me smile every time I looked at it.
The good news is that my 19 months with a Wrangler made me take a hard look at my needs. I live where it typically snows a lot from November thru March, so I definitely need 4WD/AWD -- but 98% of my driving is on-road. I can always park my Audi at the trailhead, throw my waders over my shoulder, and hike in to my fishing spots - and I get something that's much nicer on the road in the bargain. For you guys who are hard-core off-roaders, the Wrangler is an awesome vehicle, but it was a bad fit for me (and that's my fault, not Jeep's).
I did the opposite in '07. Traded in my '04 Audi S4 for the JK in when they came out. Best decision I ever made. Audi was ALWAYS in the dealership for problem and had my JK for 7 years and never had a single issue the whole time.LOL. Traded a jeep for a Audi. Nuff said.