"that settled the issue" !!!!!
Yeah, tongue-in-cheek but, it kinda did settle things as anyone that followed that likely is now so repulsed by the question and are determined to do whatever the heck they want with their windows and don't care what anyone else thinks. I know that's where I'm at.
I got the same don't-take-the-windows-out thing with my Jeep, I believe it came out of the soft-top windows bag package but don't know for sure. I was an early 2019 order so I don't think it is something they put out to correct the manual in "new" Jeeps. But its out there and definitely says to skip taking the windows out (unseen steps 1 & 2).
And last thing I think is that even though JeepCares said "follow the manual" I think they probably tell that to all the guys, meaning I doubt they went off and found some soft-top engineer and got their take on the issue and came back to tell us, yup, the manual has it right. I bet if anybody asks how to do anything they automatically say to refer to the manual, for Rahneld's reasons he's detailed.
I only posted the manual stuff because the OP mentioned the manual, and I thought he'd want to see what it said. So now he can make up his own mind with a little more information.
I've done that at 80mph for hours on end with no issue.I really want to know if I have to take out the back and side windows in order to drive around with the windows rolled down.
You get just as much wind entering the cab with the windows down as you do in sunrider, if not more.
The windows actually bend inward not out in sunrider mode, they bend outward with the windows up and top on actually. If you look in your rear view mirrors the soft top windows look the same with the door windows down as they do with the sunrider top open.I don't know what the heck is going on here, but you'd probably be fine. That being said, from experience, if you're doing Sunrider and windows down and doing over 60mph, that's gonna be a heck of a lot of air flowing into the jeep and pushing outward against those rear windows. Doesn't take much imagination to see those plastic tucks suddenly becoming not tucked lol, but they'd still be in the channel sliders even if the tucks came undone and you'd probably have enough warning to pull over before a window actually flew completely off.
I'd do it just cruising around town no problem, but if I'm getting on a highway, nope. Just my gut feeling. Besides, I usually just put the whole top down.
I drive with it flipped back more than with it up. I have put it all the way down about 3 times now. the back windows can be a challenge if they are new like mine are, but i've not had any issues.Sometimes I don’t feel like taking all the soft top windows out so is it ok to just flip the first part of the top back and drive? Or will this ruin it?
Probably won't matter to you...but perhaps Jeep should also have their dealers stop telling people it is OK to drive with the windows in and the top flipped back. If dealerships are posting videos telling people this is OK, I would say it is fine. I have driven with this configuration for over a year with no issues.This Sunrider position and soft windows in or out topic is like the twilight zone. My points are in lock step with what FCA themselves has come on to the board and said, which is that consistent with the owner's manual, soft window removal is indicated when taking the top into Sunrider position.
Do so, don't do so, I think the risk is minimal, but that's besides the point.
And yet, others are telling me that I can't drop something when I'm wrong. Fascinating.
To call me wrong is to call FCA wrong. Are dissenters saying they have better handle on what FCA expects than that FCA has expressly communicated here and in the owner's manual: which legally supersedes all other operational guidance, especially, not just when it conflicts with the manual and disclaimers referring you to the owner's manual exists on such supplemental materials but not in the owner's manual? Are dissenters saying that FCA is going to come out and say, "you know what everyone, we got it wrong, leave the soft windows in," so they can pay out warranty and litigation claims should the windows ever get damaged or damage other things respectively when the soft top's in Sunrider position? Really, so FCA executives are chartered to reduce stock holder wealth paying lawyers and litigation claims that can be avoided?
We can argue for days as to what FCA intended with that placard that says leaving the soft windows in is fine if not proper. But smart people make decisions on how things will play out under the law if the fit hits the shan, and the likelihood of that fit hitting the shan: which I have always conceded is IMHO minimal here, particularly at off parkway/highway speeds. The point, the essence here is that novices be armed with accurate information as to likelihood of risk and financial consequence to themselves, and make the decision right for them. That should be what a forum is about, at least I think--and I know a lot of you agree--on a non-opinion based topic like this.
The picture of the JL on closed roads with the top open...? The rig was parked in nice weather. Nobody or thing was around. On closed courses you don't need a driver's license, insurance, or even a street legal rig. Heck, go read your policy, you may find off road travel not covered.
And those claiming the picture fraudulent inducement...it isn't. Go take your rig off road, park it, and open the top for some air without removing the soft windows. No force of wind opposite to the traveling direction of a moving rig will knock those windows out in such a scenario.
You're right it will not matter to him. But we will be treated to a 4000 word essay on how the dealers are wrong.Probably won't matter to you...but perhaps Jeep should also have their dealers stop telling people it is OK to drive with the windows in and the top flipped back. If dealerships are posting videos telling people this is OK, I would say it is fine. I have driven with this configuration for over a year with no issues.
Best Top also apparently thinks the Sunrider position is just the top flipped back and the windows in...see 2:08 of the this video...