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And here I thought JLUs are more common in auto because they get better mileage, and by some standards perform better than a manual off road, and because the manual trans is built like garbage now ;)
ˆˆˆ This.

Comparing a 3 or 4-speed TJ automatic vs a 4 or 5-speed manual mated to underpowered engines, makes the manual appealing.

Now, in the JL generation, we are comparing a very poorly implemented 6-speed manual with horrible clutch and very long gearing to the absolute best auto-transmission in the industry (ZF) with 8-speeds and very good gearing.

On the JL you must sacrifice quite a bit of capability, performance, fuel economy, ability to go to bigger tires without regearing, etc if you select the manual.




**** AND *** you need to forego all the cool engine options (392, diesel, 2.0, 4xe) and all the cool packages (XR, Beach, etc) if you choose the manual. ****
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No matter the consumer product from phones to motorcycles to bicycles to autos, on forums there is always group of self described “gatekeepers” looking down their noses at new groups of buyers.
Brand loyalty is silly when brands aren't even loyal to their own customers with all the quality control issues and terrible customer service. I look down my nose at most people because they're shorter than me good sir!
 

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Yep, I agree I see a lot of pavement princess riders now. And sad to say that since I’m a female but… too many females who don’t mod their rides at all. And that’s sad. Soccer moms, and none of them wave. Totally decreased the value of owning a jeep. Sad story.
I myself have a rubicon JL on 35’s and lots of mods. And take it off-road for which it’s meant to do. Wish there was more awareness of pavement princesses. The guys are not innocent either- mall crawlers. Or huge rims with skinny sidewalls… the jeep world is changing and not for the better. I’d love to see this change.
 

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I have a new 2021 JLUR and added steel bumpers etc. That said, It would make no sense to remove the perfectly brand new KO2 on there to get Rims and 35's and a 2-inch lift kit... I would want to run these tires down before even considering that at the very least.. So just because we don't have 35 and look modded it doesn't mean we are not passionate jeepers..... its just that the JKs are older and out of warranty and make more sense.
 

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And I think everyone forgets, stock Wranglers can and have gone off road. The ones back in 1941 lugging our soldiers around had no lifts on them and traversed some crazy topography. Just because something is stock, doesn't mean you can't off road it.
 

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A lot of people have some negative attitude toward my original post.

it wasn’t meant to stir up any deep seated insecurities one may have about themselves and their Jeep LOL.

I was simply drawing attention to the fact that it seems like the culture of customization has been dying since the release of the JL.
To me your op made it sound like either I’m modding my JL or I’m a soccer mom. Usually people use that term in a negative context.
 

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I didn't read thru every single post, but I'm sure it has to do with a combination of the cost/new-ness and warranty. How many people here are willing to drop $50k+ and then throw all kinds of money at it for mods and then take it rock crawling? Unless you have the income to wipe your ass with $100 bills, it just doesn't make sense
 
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If you think the jk to JL owners changed, try coming from the pre-4dr days(tj, yj, CJ, etc). As for the heavily modded crowd, I find that the JL isn’t that much of a change from the JK to justify selling a modded JK and doing another heavy build. Only real incentives IMO are a significantly better auto trans, a significantly more powerful diesel option, or more space in a JT. The rest of the Jk to JL factory upgrades can easily be addressed in the aftermarket (CarPlay, better seats, etc).
 

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I guess it's about perspective. My stock JLUR is built-up quite a bit more than my '99 TJ Sahara was. The biggest tire's you could get stock were 30" back then. I was on Jeep forums 20 years ago and running 33's, with a lift and a locker was the definition of a built up TJ. There were some running 35s but on stock axles they weren't lasting that well.

I put my JLUR to the test at Hidden Falls about a month ago. I did take a few bypasses by my choice that I may have been able to make but overall I made it through pretty well. Good enough that my efforts to focus on recovery gear and some creature comforts were a good plan that I'll stick to, although I just might throw 34's on there when my tires wear down.

I do see plenty of built up JLs around here. For example my group of 6 were all built up except for myself and a 2 door JLUR.
 
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I'll just speak for myself, but its price and budget of what I can afford. I did the 2021 Sport S with a couple of options and that price ended up being the comfort zone of my budget, but I am not comfortable going any higher putting money into it currently.

Maybe when the warranty ends ill consider modding, but I just have to spend $ on other things right now, and honestly I am having loads of fun with it as is.
 

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I started with a YJ... currently running a JLRUD. I sold my kidney to afford the JL and I find it does very well relatively stock for my purposes. And since I'm poor spending so much on it, damn good thing it works pretty well stock!

I don't give a flipping care what others do with their Jeep. It's not the same Jeep as my YJ and appeals to more people, that we can all see. But who cares?
 

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This is the dumbest post I’ve read to date.

instead of joining the convo and talking back and forth like a normal human u must insist on calling me dumb.

Yet you are the dumb one sir.
Your reasoning is economy, prices of parts, cheaper fuel etc…yet a few lines later you need to flex the fact that you have $150-200k worth of vehicles in your garage.

doesn’t seem like an economy issue for you now does it
Sorry that my opinion seems to hurt your feelings.

Not sure what about my post you are trying to pick apart. I explained why (again) in my opinion there is a difference in buying and modding today rather than when the JK was on the market.

Also - my "flexing" is just pointing out that I see and also have plenty of modded current model Jeeps. Am I going to apologize for the fact I am financially stable and work hard for the things I want and have....no sir.

And again....in my opinon....still dumb.
 

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I’ve tried being a kind person but then I have some half bred telling me that I’m projecting.

you as well as others seem to be missing my message. I’m asking if it seems like the culture of individuality has changed now that the JL has been released. The culture of making the Wrangler “yours” doesn’t mean 40 inch tires and $4000 lift kits.

You cannot be serious if you can’t sense a palpable change in how people view Wranglers now…

there has been a seismic shift in the interest of customizing Wranglers. Maybe those people moved over to Taco’s and other vehicles who knows.

When I bought my 2015 Sahara it was all about making yours different. Being an individual.

The very first line of my post says “maybe it’s the substantial price increase”…

yet throughout this thread I have sassy Sally’s telling me I’m stupid and it’s because the price went up. So right there is proof nobody reads and everyone wants to make themselves feel good behind a keyboard by putting others down. You people fucking suck.
People have changed - COVID changed how everyone views everything. The vehicle they drive, the hobbies they have, how they spend money and even the meaning of life. Jeep culture has changed over the course of every model. When they stopped making CJ's they lost some of their current customer base and found new customers. When they stopped making the YJ they lost some of their current business and got new customers. Everytime there is a model update, some people will hate it and leave the brand and some will like it and stick around and others will venture to another vehicle or brand all together. Welcome to what is known as the automotive industry since shortly after it became a competitive market place.

Who gives a flying care? I certainly don't.....whats it matter? Do I think anything less of a person who went and bought a base Sport and didn't mod it? Am I going to think any less of someone who bought a Jeep just becuase they think it looks cool and will never take it off road - hell no! The point of Jeeps and the Jeep culture is each person being an individual - which seems to be a miss based on your post. Not caring if its a rusted out shit bucket or a 150k build.....we all go wheeling together. As long as it makes the owner happy....thats what its about.

I wave at CJ, YJs, TJs, JKs, JTs JLs and even some Broncos! To each is there own which is why so many people here don't understand the relevance or nature of what it is you are trying to point out.

Take care, happy Jeep'n.
 

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I got the Wrangler specifically so I wouldn't have to modify it to do what I wanted to do and go where I wanted to go. Keep in mind, this is an 'adventure vehicle', and we're in an adventure craze, where the competition is mainly CUVs. The Wrangler simply do more stock than any of the CUVs can do modified.

Also, a lot the tools that used to mod Jeeps to 'make it their own' have moved on to being tools in SxS.
 

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Exactly. I’m in a JL that I’d love to lift but the fear of warranty issues is keeping me stock.
Have your dealer install the Mopar lift and it keeps its warranty. There are a ton of things that can be done and keep your warranty - sometimes you do have to pay more and go through the dealer to keep your warranty in place.
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