In 22+ months entire NA Jeep lineup will be electrified [corrected title]

[YJdude]

I know that there’s a large group of people who are anti-electric car, but I disagree that they “suck”. Not liking them is one thing, but it’s pretty clear that this is the way of the future and that the technology works. I also see no reason why they’d ever get rid of the cash cow that is the Wrangler.

Yeah it was the future about 200 years ago. We're still talking about getting 20 miles on 4xe electric now.
Stellantis won't drop Jeep, I mean when Stellantis folds the Jeep name will be picked up by another company.

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[Ron93YJ]

Yeah it was the future about 200 years ago. We're still talking about getting 20 miles on 4xe electric now.
Stellantis won't drop Jeep, I mean when Stellantis folds the Jeep name will be picked up by another company.

That’s because there is a buyer segment for electrified bricks on wheels. There are plenty of electric cars and SUVs that get great range. I think my argument remains a the same on Jeep also. Stellantis is making a killing on Jeeps. I see no reason why they’d “fold the Jeep name”, unless I’m misunderstanding what you are saying.

Edit: I misread the last part. I don’t see Stellantis folding anytime soon.

 

[Kaliks&Bones]

I guess we like forced child labor, environmentally disastrous mining techniques and worse carbon footprints over the normal life of a vehicle vs. a rock solid 3.6NA gasser or a 3.0L TT.

We aren't "saving" anything by going full electric but our kids and grandkids can worry about that.

 

[YJdude]

That’s because there is a buyer segment for electrified bricks on wheels. There are plenty of electric cars and SUVs that get great range. I think my argument remains a the same on Jeep also. Stellantis is making a killing on Jeeps. I see no reason why they’d “fold the Jeep name”, unless I’m misunderstanding what you are saying.

Edit: I misread the last part. I don’t see Stellantis folding anytime soon.

I don't hate electric vehicles. Anyone wants an electric vehicle? Whatever floats their boat. My forecast is the bottom will fall out from under these auto makers that are going all-in on BEV and sink the whole damn ship. GM, Stellantis & others will split up and sell off assets, and Jeep Wrangler will be made by someone else.

 

[Ron93YJ]

I don't hate electric vehicles. Anyone wants an electric vehicle? Whatever floats their boat. My forecast is the bottom will fall out from under these auto makers that are going all-in on BEV and sink the whole damn ship. GM, Stellantis & others will split up and sell off assets, and Jeep Wrangler will be made by someone else.

What makes you forcast that the bottom will fall out?

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

Yeah it was the future about 200 years ago. We're still talking about getting 20 miles on 4xe electric now.
Stellantis won't drop Jeep, I mean when Stellantis folds the Jeep name will be picked up by another company.

Wrangler was the best selling PHEV - gotta say something just by that.


My wife asked me the other day - so will you be keeping this Gladiator for a while now? (as we were in her Wrangler 4xe)
I told her yeah, it's probably going to be my last Jeep for a long time.............. but I said - if they offer a JT 4xe, all bets are off.
On the other hand, that's sure to be an $80,000+ truck. So unless we strike oil or gold in our back yard......

With our type of driving, 27.5 mpg isn't bad for a brick on wheels (her JLU Rubicon 4xe) and it's still the middle of winter with cold temps, which means crappy mpg anyway due to the cold dense air for drag and winter blend gas. I expect the mpg to climb when we get into late spring.

 

[YJdude]

What makes you forcast that the bottom will fall out?

There is absolutely nothing that shows the shift to bev for everyone will even half ass succeed, yet they're pushing for it like it's the only way to save the world from ourselves. It hasn't worked for almost two centuries, while ICE has proven itself for over a century and modern ones do no damage to the environment like the fear porn talking heads tell us. @Kaliks&Bones put it best in post #33.
PHEV & BEV are a niche market at their fullest potential. ICE is most likely at it's fullest potential as well, but it actually works.
Now, if an alternative comes along that doesn't require mining lithium (look at the pictures of what that does), recharging, drilling oil, using giant batteries AND is an actual improvement over ICE and doesn't cost $100k.... That would be beneficial to all.

 

[YJdude]

Wrangler was the best selling PHEV - gotta say something just by that.


My wife asked me the other day - so will you be keeping this Gladiator for a while now? (as we were in her Wrangler 4xe)
I told her yeah, it's probably going to be my last Jeep for a long time.............. but I said - if they offer a JT 4xe, all bets are off.
On the other hand, that's sure to be an $80,000+ truck. So unless we strike oil or gold in our back yard......

With our type of driving, 27.5 mpg isn't bad for a brick on wheels (her JLU Rubicon 4xe) and it's still the middle of winter with cold temps, which means crappy mpg anyway due to the cold dense air for drag and winter blend gas. I expect the mpg to climb when we get into late spring.

Because it's the only halfway cool looking PHEV. Like I said, if PHEV/BEV works for you that's totally cool and I'm glad that it does. It WILL NOT work for the majority. And in my happy rural neighborhood $80,000 is mortgage territory.
I can't help but say....cold air actually makes traditional combustion engines run better.

 

[Ron93YJ]

There is absolutely nothing that shows the shift to bev for everyone will even half ass succeed, yet they're pushing for it like it's the only way to save the world from ourselves. It hasn't worked for almost two centuries, while ICE has proven itself for over a century and modern ones do no damage to the environment like the fear porn talking heads tell us. @Kaliks&Bones put it best in post #33.
PHEV & BEV are a niche market at their fullest potential. ICE is most likely at it's fullest potential as well, but it actually works.
Now, if an alternative comes along that doesn't require mining lithium (look at the pictures of what that does), recharging, drilling oil, using giant batteries AND is an actual improvement over ICE and doesn't cost $100k.... That would be beneficial to all.

I’m not sure how you define success. Electric vehicles seem to be selling pretty well and the infrastructure for charging is growing. The bigger carbon footprint argument is a myth. I’m not going down that rabbit hole. Not trying to argue, but there’s a difference between not thinking something is a good fit for an individual versus trying to generalize that it’s a lost cause.

 

[scj64]

The infrastructure for supporting electric vehicles is the problem right now much less their insufficient range. CA sends out notifications all the time for “you’re not to charge your ev during this period of time “. If all vehicles were electric, the current power plants would be down all the time.
Government gets all the dummies into electric vehicles, then only allows traveling during certain hours. You figure it out….

 

[jjvincent]

No, it means that by 2025 every vehicle Jeep offers will have a PHEV or BEV option available. Stop with the clickbait

I only read titles and then respond. All that I’ll assume is every Jeep will be fully electric in 22 months. ICE will not be offered at all.

I also know that one simple trick will convert your new all electric Jeep to ICE. Same trick can be used for things like toe fungus and getting rid of lice.

 

[Mudduck]

I'd go for a diesel electric......

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

Because it's the only halfway cool looking PHEV. Like I said, if PHEV/BEV works for you that's totally cool and I'm glad that it does. It WILL NOT work for the majority. And in my happy rural neighborhood $80,000 is mortgage territory.
I can't help but say....cold air actually makes traditional combustion engines run better.

It works mostly for my wife - she can get to town and back on battery except maybe the last couple of miles. She went to a friend's house a couple of weeks ago - 13.4 miles each way.
The thing ran on battery all the way there, and back except for the last 2 miles.

I know about engines, temperatures, cold air, etc. - as that's been my career for decades until I got into IT later.
Cold air INTAKE to an extent makes them run better - not cold temperatures in general. Hot air is less dense so if the engine bay is hot, pulling air from outside the engine bay helps. The best is about 40-45 degrees in my experience. That's where my traditional engines run the best. But these adjust things based on air intake temperatures and other factors so it's not the same as going back a few years.
Adding a cold air intake to a race car helps - in tenths of a second times.
And a friend racing his Mercedes found that if he opened the hood between runs while in the staging area, he did a few fractions of a second better.
But for a daily driver - not a big deal.
The issue is with drag in the colder denser air - you have a lot more "wind resistance" and drag.
But for the intake air - unless you are looking for fractions of HP or better times on the strip, it's not a big deal - especially with modern engines. They adjust.
And for a PHEV - any fractions of a hp you gain in the engine is offset by battery temperatures and air drag. And of course, there's the drop in MPG due to the winter blend fuels. So winter and cold air aren't good for mpg. The season is a drag on conventional engines and electric.

I only read titles and then respond. All that I’ll assume is every Jeep will be fully electric in 22 months. ICE will not be offered at all.

I also know that one simple trick will convert your new all electric Jeep to ICE. Same trick can be used for things like toe fungus and getting rid of lice.

The EU has said "0 carbon emissions" by something in the early 2030s. CA and VA, since they follow CA's rule of law, have similar rules for the next decade. If Jeep wants to sell in the EU, and state of confusion - uh, I mean, California, then they must do something - quickly.ow you

I'd go for a diesel electric......

Now you are talking. I don't know why more haven't at least looked at that - or maybe they have? For years goods have moved around the country with that type of power. Diesel can be made to operate pretty cleanly, especially when run at a set speed like that.

 

[Jeepznthingz]

Is there another conspiracy theory out there about the world ending on a specific date? We've (somehow) lived through many of those.

Well, many people haven’t, think
About it.

 

[YJdude]

The infrastructure for supporting electric vehicles is the problem right now much less their insufficient range. CA sends out notifications all the time for “you’re not to charge your ev during this period of time “. If all vehicles were electric, the current power plants would be down all the time.
Government gets all the dummies into electric vehicles, then only allows traveling during certain hours. You figure it out….

Spot on.

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