If you hate the keyless ignition, you'll love this story!

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Guess we have some options here.
1. learn to push button instead of grabbing keys on exit.
2. If forget option 1, learn to listen for the frantic beeping noise to remember option 1.
3. Duct tape forehead to head rest and run tape line to button to remind to do option 1 - each time - until option 1 becomes habit.
4. super glue thumb to button - each time - until option 1 becomes habit.
5. If options 1-4 just don't work, sell Jeep JL and tell all our friends, " Man that JL, they really screwed that one up, I'm going to find a Pontiac Aztek instead."

Ive forgotten a few times. Beeping caught me. I'm sure they can add a feature in UConnect that just turns off Jeep after 2 minute of the key far enough away from vehicle.
I've seen a woman stuck at a gas pump at a gas station because her SUV had the keyless entry / start thing on it. When she left the house, the car apparently was connected to the key fob that was in the house or maybe her husband's pocket. It allowed her to drive off and get to the gas station. She then turned the car off and refueled. Since she was no longer in range of the keyless fobs (since it was *miles* away), she could not start the car back up and was stuck there. And, to make matters worse for everyone else, the car could not be shifted out of "park" and pushed to another parking spot to free up the pump and that particular station did not have very many pumps.





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I've seen a woman stuck at a gas pump at a gas station because her SUV had the keyless entry / start thing on it. When she left the house, the car apparently was connected to the key fob that was in the house or maybe her husband's pocket. It allowed her to drive off and get to the gas station. She then turned the car off and refueled. Since she was no longer in range of the keyless fobs (since it was *miles* away), she could not start the car back up and was stuck there. And, to make matters worse for everyone else, the car could not be shifted out of "park" and pushed to another parking spot to free up the pump and that particular station did not have very many pumps.
My daily driver ES350 and my Wife’s Nissan Quest van have the keyless entry and start. They let you know if you get out of the vehicle with the key. If you drive away without the key you have to ignore the crazy beeping AND the message on the dash that states “KEY NOT DETECTED.” They try to make things idiot proof but some people’s idiocy is beyond the engineer’s imagination.
 

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My daily driver ES350 and my Wife’s Nissan Quest van have the keyless entry and start. They let you know if you get out of the vehicle with the key. If you drive away without the key you have to ignore the crazy beeping AND the message on the dash that states “KEY NOT DETECTED.” They try to make things idiot proof but some people’s idiocy is beyond the engineer’s imagination.
But there's a good chance that this wasn't a feature of the original version of the software. At some point, someone had to make that mistake and the software developer goes, "oh... yeah, I guess that *could* happen" or "well, it worked perfectly here in the lab"...
 

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My Lexus IS a 2008 and I have a friend with a 2007 model and his has the “hey you need a key” feature. So it has been at least 11 years that the warning system existed.
 

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no different then someone stepping on the gas instead of the brake and driving thru the garage wall, or putting it in R vs P and backing into something, common sense cannot be programmed in to vehicles...:puke:
 

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no different then someone stepping on the gas instead of the brake and driving thru the garage wall, or putting it in R vs P and backing into something, common sense cannot be programmed in to vehicles...:puke:
Yeah, but sometimes changing the way things work just for the sake of change is a really stupid idea also. For example the accidents that started happening when some idiotic engineer decided that a steering column or stick shift was not good enough for him anymore and decided to create the hockey puck gear selector instead. It just opened the door for more potential problems and some people were injured or killed by their cars rolling over them when they got out of their car. Mechanical systems were reliabled, so there's no reason to quit using them.
 

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I feel like this and the ESS thread are some kind of sad commentary on the human race. This is the shit we're worried about?

I will now be wary of the dreaded keyless ignition monster and it's deadly carbon monoxide breath, thanks op for warning us of this deadly scourge that has thus far claimed 28 of our brethren that braved the technological forefront over the last 12 years. I will hence no longer concern myself with the paltry 15000x greater chance I have of dying via vehicular accident when I actually get in and drive, and instead concern myself with making sure my car is shut off when I get out. Because that couldn't also just as easily happen with a keyed ignition or anything.

Oh wait, I park outside, all that worry for nothing, phew.
 

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Yeah, but sometimes changing the way things work just for the sake of change is a really stupid idea also. For example the accidents that started happening when some idiotic engineer decided that a steering column or stick shift was not good enough for him anymore and decided to create the hockey puck gear selector instead. It just opened the door for more potential problems and some people were injured or killed by their cars rolling over them when they got out of their car. Mechanical systems were reliabled, so there's no reason to quit using them.
Simple maybe, but not reliable. Cars used to be pretty much disposable by 100K miles.
 

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Yep... Big Brother is watching...
Alexa screwed up... It was *supposed* to be forwarding all conversations to the NSA...
 

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The Jeep Informant did some testing. He threw his keys out the window and JL did not warn him about key missing.

 

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