I think I'm getting screwed

[Djeman2569]

I just got a killer deal on a 2018 JL Sahara. I'm planning on doing a lot of after market upgrades in time and have a place I'd love to give it to that specializes in Jeeps. I understand that taking it to a pro Jeep shop I'm probably not going to be able to negotiate the deal too much, nor would I push for it because I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for.

With that said, I'm contemplating getting some of the work done at the dealership. The greatest benefit of getting the work done at the dealership is that they will add the costs to the price of the car and since I'm leasing, it goes in the lease payments. Also they work with items that wont void the warranty and they offer their own warranty on the work they do.

So this is what I'm getting

35" nitto ridge grappler tires https://www.nittotire.com/light-truck-tires/ridge-grappler-light-truck-tire/
2" mopar lift
17" Ultra Extreme (107 extreme) https://ultrawheel.com/product/107-xtreme/


Parts and labor $5k

Sounds like extremely retail. What would be a "good deal" price for these? What would be a "sickkkkk deal" price for these?

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[millerjl]

Have done the same thing in the past. Any "MOPAR" parts, you might be able to get their employee pricing on. Wheels and tires, they have to purchase them and they may not be able to get a price break on them. I found I could get a better deal on non-mopar stuff with discounts and deals and then just had it delivered to the dealer.

For labor, I would get a couple quotes from local shops to do the same install and then let the dealer know what they were. They would usually make a deal with me and split the high/low cost. If I got one at $500 and one at $700, we would settle on $600.

The dealer wants your business and they definitely have some leeway on labor costs and mopar parts. Talk to them and see what they can do.

 

[Dewey]

I just got a killer deal on a 2018 JL Sahara. I'm planning on doing a lot of after market upgrades in time and have a place I'd love to give it to that specializes in Jeeps. I understand that taking it to a pro Jeep shop I'm probably not going to be able to negotiate the deal too much, nor would I push for it because I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for.

With that said, I'm contemplating getting some of the work done at the dealership. The greatest benefit of getting the work done at the dealership is that they will add the costs to the price of the car and since I'm leasing, it goes in the lease payments. Also they work with items that wont void the warranty and they offer their own warranty on the work they do.

So this is what I'm getting

35" nitto ridge grappler tires https://www.nittotire.com/light-truck-tires/ridge-grappler-light-truck-tire/
2" mopar lift
17" Ultra Extreme (107 extreme) https://ultrawheel.com/product/107-xtreme/


Parts and labor $5k

Sounds like extremely retail. What would be a "good deal" price for these? What would be a "sickkkkk deal" price for these?

Lift kit $1,495
5 Nitto's @$375 each $1,875
5 Wheels @$200 each $1,000

Total $4,370

min 3 hours labor for lift but realistic 4 hours @ whatever their labor rate is. Lets say $100 (likely higher). So $400 on lift
Wheel and tire mount and balance, remove TPMS sensors and install in new wheels 2 hours at their labor rate, min $200

Grand total $4970

 

[Djeman2569]

Yeah I understand that's the price to buy it but when a dealer says "we have a relationship with XXX" they're not paying 1500 for the lift. Furthermore I've seen the same lift on sale somewhere for 900.

Theres retail, wholesale and the real price. The 5k you quoted is what I would pay if I went to a private Jeep specialty shop... not a dealership.

 

[Dewey]

Yeah I understand that's the price to buy it but when a dealer says "we have a relationship with XXX" they're not paying 1500 for the lift. Furthermore I've seen the same lift on sale somewhere for 900.

Theres retail, wholesale and the real price. The 5k you quoted is what I would pay if I went to a private Jeep specialty shop... not a dealership.

Hmm now I'm confused. You stated "I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for."
If you buy one of those $900 lifts on ebay. You never know what your getting.
The dealership labor rate is likely much higher than the Jeep shop.

I just picked up another Mopar lift at the stealership for $1,345

 

[StuntmanMike]

I don't get why on earth you would sink money in mods on a leased vehicle? Did the dealer agree to give you more for it when you turn it in?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious as I'm contemplating leasing one myself.

Also, for dealer rates, the price sounds fairly reasonable. Not "Great", but not a ripoff either.

Did you get a quote from another shop? If you get one and it's lower, perhaps the dealer will match it.

 

[Djeman2569]

When it comes to private shops,yes you get what you pay for. When it comes to corporate businesses with workers on salary, it's a different animal.

Also these are leftover parts from someone who changed their mind last minute. I know hes trying to unload them and had to make sure the 35's wont be sluggish on my 3.45 axel or if the 2" kit is sufficient for 35's

I know hes got wiggle room I just want to know how much.

Fyi my Jeep was 51k MSRP and I paid 46k for it... just saying, theres a LOT of wiggle room.

 

[Djeman2569]

You 100% should lease a Jeep before you buy it if you have your own business. There is less than half the write off when you buy a Jeep because the residual is so high.

I am going to buy it after the lease. Just have to make sure your payoff is in line with your payments.

With that said the ONLY reason I'd get it done at the dealership is because they can put the mods into your lease instead of forking the money up front

 

[Dewey]

Trust me I know as 25 year employee at a GM dealership. I just bought my 2nd JL and got both at $5k discount.

The only way to save your $$ is do the work yourself if that's possible. That's what I do because I know everything's done correctly.

Another thing to consider, who's keeping the old parts? as they are worth $1,000-$1500 on craigslist.

 

[Mjmi69]

That does not sound like a bad price. Look at the dealers website and go to service, they always have 10% off parts and will also have coupons for work to be done. Asking $500 of of $5000 is a no brained for the dealer, they need to keep the techs working or they are paying for them to stand around and do oil changes.

 

[Djeman2569]

Trust me I know as 25 year employee at a GM dealership. I just bought my 2nd JL and got both at $5k discount.

The only way to save your $$ is do the work yourself if that's possible. That's what I do because I know everything's done correctly.

Another thing to consider, who's keeping the old parts? as they are worth $1,000-$1500 on craigslist.

Yeah the other thing was he told me "I'll give you a price including some credit back for it."

Supposedly the price he gave me was a discounted price

 

[mgroeger]

You 100% should lease a Jeep before you buy it if you have your own business. There is less than half the write off when you buy a Jeep because the residual is so high.

I am going to buy it after the lease. Just have to make sure your payoff is in line with your payments.

With that said the ONLY reason I'd get it done at the dealership is because they can put the mods into your lease instead of forking the money up front

Please explain. My wife and I have our own business that she runs. She uses the Jeep to and from work and maybe 6 times a year for actual business. What do you do that you can write off the Jeep? I actually ran this by my accountant with putting it in our name or the business and he said it really doesn't matter. You will only be able to write off the amount you use it.

 

[Wanderingwheelz]

I don't get why on earth you would sink money in mods on a leased vehicle? Did the dealer agree to give you more for it when you turn it in?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious as I'm contemplating leasing one myself.

Also, for dealer rates, the price sounds fairly reasonable. Not "Great", but not a ripoff either.

Did you get a quote from another shop? If you get one and it's lower, perhaps the dealer will match it.

I was wondering the same thing. Does all of the aftermarket stuff just get lumped into the lease at the same residual at the OEM, unmolested, Jeep? You simply hand them the keys back at lease end like you would a car that’s had no modifications?

 

[StuntmanMike]

You 100% should lease a Jeep before you buy it if you have your own business. There is less than half the write off when you buy a Jeep because the residual is so high.

I am going to buy it after the lease. Just have to make sure your payoff is in line with your payments.

With that said the ONLY reason I'd get it done at the dealership is because they can put the mods into your lease instead of forking the money up front

Oh, gotcha. I've heard that before, that it makes sense to lease as a business owner.

Well, that won't help me, as I don't own a business. I'm just a loser that can't afford the payments on a 46 thousand dollar car, lol.

 

[Djeman2569]

Please explain. My wife and I have our own business that she runs. She uses the Jeep to and from work and maybe 6 times a year for actual business. What do you do that you can write off the Jeep? I actually ran this by my accountant with putting it in our name or the business and he said it really doesn't matter. You will only be able to write off the amount you use it.

There are two types of writeoffs. Gas, oil changes etc. and depreciation and/or lease payments.

The percentage you can writeoff depends on how much you use the car for business vs pleasure so that number is the same in both scenarios. So for sake of argument let's say you buy the car and are using it 100% for work.

When you lease a car you can write off the payments. If your monthly is $500 then you're paying $6k a year in payments. You can write off $6k.

If you buy a car and your monthly payments are $1000 then you're paying $12k a year. So you would think you can write off the $12k right? Wrong. Regardless of what you paid to own your vehicle the only thing that is written off is the depreciation. So because Jeeps dont depreciate a lot, which is a good thing, it's a horrible thing for writeoffs. The quote I got was a 50k wrangler in 4 years is worth about 70%. So over 4 years it lost about 7% a year - or $3,500 a year. I don't know how accurate the depreciation was that he quoted but based off its reputation it sounds about right.

In essence the amount you're able to write off is equivalent to 33% is cash. So writing ok $6k is like putting $2k in my pocket. Opposed to writing off $3500 that puts $1100 in my pocket.

Heres the next question. Is it worth the$900 more to pay all that extra interest? Generally I think its equal at the end of the day. But considered everything is equal in the end I'd take a lease any day with 33% lower payments and $0 money out of my pocket... especially if you can put your upgrades on the lease too.

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