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1. It will cost less than the M8 Competition

2. Never say "for 32 years old, she's still got it" - I literally just saw my gravestone appear before my eyes :) Seriously, 32....all of you in yours 30s and 40s better still have it :)

That is probably the first BMW I've seen that I would consider owning. Sharp!!
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Read again.

“By 2025, it projects full 4xe proliferation across the entire portfolio, with four of those models being fully electric.”

Not fully electric.
LOL - I did "read again" - where did I say "fully electric"? Oy.
 

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My guess:
The 410hp I-6 will become the premium de facto PU for Wranglers. Jeep needs volume to make that engine profitable and that won’t happen through Wagoneers.
The 2.0T will be the de facto standard engine for Wranglers and the V6 will fade away through price increases.
The 2-door will stick around but the manual transmission won’t. Sorry, but they’re going away.
 
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My guess:
The 410hp I-6 will become the premium de facto PU for Wranglers. Jeep needs volume to make that engine profitable and that won’t happen through Wagoneers.
The 2.0T will be the de facto standard engine for Wranglers and the V6 will fade away through price increases.
The 2-door will stick around but the manual transmission won’t. Sorry, but they’re going away.
It's a bit strange that 2 engines with such close output are offered in the Wrangler. The eTorque V6 is expensive at $2250 more than the I4 but whether or when it goes away, who knows. I agree the manual transmission is doomed. The big picture is the noose is tightening on ICE vehicles. However, the 4Xe is light on battery range. Maybe the eTorque I4 will return.
 

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It's a bit strange that 2 engines with such close output are offered in the Wrangler. The eTorque V6 is expensive at $2250 more than the I4 but whether or when it goes away, who knows.
This. Both the 2.0T and the 3.6L each offer slight benefits over the other, but the overall similarity in performance between them just leads to an incredibly confusing offering for most customers.

Like @Iggy said, I also see the 3.6L going away with the newer 2.0T being the standard offering, with the new turbo i6 S.O. being a premium upgrade (and the H.O. version being the halo trim, replacing the 392). Outside of their EV platforms, it looks like Stellantis will eventually migrate any remaining ICE vehicles to their newest 'global' engines.
 

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This. Both the 2.0T and the 3.6L each offer slight benefits over the other, but the overall similarity in performance between them just leads to an incredibly confusing offering for most customers.

Like @Iggy said, I also see the 3.6L going away with the newer 2.0T being the standard offering, with the new turbo i6 S.O. being a premium upgrade (and the H.O. version being the halo trim, replacing the 392). Outside of their EV platforms, it looks like Stellantis will eventually migrate any remaining ICE vehicles to their newest 'global' engines.
Yeah, going global is the trend. Most of what to expect in the future is going to be with electrification. It's probably not what the customers want, but it's what regulators will force on us. Expect the smaller vehicles at Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge to be renamed European designs.
 

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Yeah, going global is the trend. Most of what to expect in the future is going to be with electrification. It's probably not what the customers want, but it's what regulators will force on us. Expect the smaller vehicles at Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge to be renamed European designs.
“to be” ?— the new “Hornet” is a rebadged Alpha, likely others if we searched.
 

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“to be” ?— the new “Hornet” is a rebadged Alpha, likely others if we searched.
Let's not split hairs. How about already are, and expect more. The real challange is what the carbon crazies are trying to do to us.
 

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Let's not split hairs. How about already are, and expect more. The real challange is what the carbon crazies are trying to do to us.
Yep— already are was the intended point. Same as the carbon “expletive deleted” are and have been doing at Max Effort.
 

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ICE isn’t going away, they just released the Hurricane after all. eTorque will more than likely qualify as a form of electrification. So, probably expect all gas engines to be equipped with eTorque in the near future.
 

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ICE isn’t going away, they just released the Hurricane after all. eTorque will more than likely qualify as a form of electrification. So, probably expect all gas engines to be equipped with eTorque in the near future.
I agree eTorque or mild hybrid is a technology which wil proliferate. Still, I see ICE is in danger. The US and EU could easily wind up with no new cars but EV's and nowhere to charge them while the remaining ICE fleet is Cubanized.

I have an eTorque 3.6 in my rubi and it rocks.
 

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Don’t know what Stellantis will do, but maybe corporate will give Jeep division some freedom to try their own thing.

With new car prices reaching the point of being out of reach for too large of a segment of the population, if I were Jeep, I would pursue a product strategy that would be hybrid of the strategy that Ford chose with the Maverick and Mazda chose with the Miata.

First, the Maverick. Lots of pickup owners look down their noses on it, yet there are plenty of pickup owners that see it meets all their basic requirements at about half the price of a mid-size or full-size pickup. There are also new buyers to the market segment who could see the utility of owning a pickup truck but saw mid-size and full-size trucks as overkill or impractical.

Next the Miata. At $29k base price, it has multiple things going for it. There are some that want a convertible. Some who like the looks of it. And finally people who appreciate a true driver’s car but won’t/can’t pay for a Porsche. It’s like the original BMW 3 series.

So I would propose a Wrangler JC and JCU, “C” for “classic”. Put a standard output Hurricane (not modified or tuned at all for the Wrangler but shared with the most common configuration used across the Stellantis fleet) into a new basic chassis and 4 wheel drive train that is plenty sufficient for 80% of the off-roading that its off-roading customers do with the JCU variant being 1,400 lbs lighter than the JLU. It would be as de-digitalized as possible. No UConnect. Just dials. Bring your own phone or tablet or aftermarket head unit. The Wrangler JC would be the most analog vehicle sold in America. But it would have all kinds of attachment hard points and an electrical power/signal bus integrated into its chassis to allow all kinds of user programmable hardware/software mods via Raspberry Pi or Arduino or whatever the successor to those technologies happen to be.

Like a Miata for the driving enthusiast, the JC is designed around the fundamental hardware essentials for a capable off road vehicle that can be appreciated by a trail enthusiast. Solid axles. Off-road gearing and transfer case. Tires pushed out to the corners of a passenger compartment and body that is narrow enough to allow space for tire articulation. Removable doors and tops. Water fording. Lightweight enough that behind the wheel you feel comfortable tossing around the vehicle.

And MSRP would be $20k less than its JL cousins. Mechanical structures made of crudely manufactured parts that don’t need to support the overweight body mass of the JL and you don’t mind breaking on the trail because they are reasonably priced in terms of replacements.
Love the idea but this is about the furthest thing from what they’re going to do. sorry.
 
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ICE isn’t going away, they just released the Hurricane after all. eTorque will more than likely qualify as a form of electrification. So, probably expect all gas engines to be equipped with eTorque in the near future.
Yeah I agree. I would be fine with a little more HP from an 48v batter and the 4 cylinder. That would be good enough for me.
 
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It's a bit strange that 2 engines with such close output are offered in the Wrangler. The eTorque V6 is expensive at $2250 more than the I4 but whether or when it goes away, who knows. I agree the manual transmission is doomed. The big picture is the noose is tightening on ICE vehicles. However, the 4Xe is light on battery range. Maybe the eTorque I4 will return.
Yup with an improved battery. No electric only mode but better MPG and a bit more horsepower. That would be perfect for me and I would put my order in.
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