Hurricane Wrangler

[The Last Cowboy]

Ram has no midsize model, so why would they care. Plus every single Ram dealer also sells Jeep. It’s not like they are even a separate company at this point.

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[Deleted User 38384]

Enough people complain about the *hybrid* and you want to give Jeep to the guy who only makes electric vehicles? Bold move cotton. Plus according to AI it might look something like this:

At least it has a grill that's probably approved by @Tredsdert.

That's actually not a bad looking grill. I'm sure you were expecting me to say that, but truly, it's not even an angry grill. More of a disapproving grill, maybe a displeased grill, a unimpressed grill.

 

[NWJeepr]

From an ongoing issue post i follow, a Jeep technician has to say this:

"Two things I've seen is the plastic thermostat failing (lol) causing overheating, and consistent misfire issues despite multiple software updates.

Just to clarify here, the 3.0TT is the most advanced motor ever installed in our normal line of vehicles. There isn't going to be a "Take it to your trusted mechanic" scenario for this one. I would strongly recommend not going anywhere near this engine for at least half a decade to let any early issues get worked out.

The engine is frankly too complex to be put into a work truck. I suspect high mileage examples of models equipped with this engine will experience European luxury levels of depreciation. The labor cost for repairs down the line will be frankly absurd, especially for a Jeep."

What is so complicated about an inline 6 with a turbo?

...considering the basic design is shared with the existing turbo 4-cylinder....

 

[oubbascooba]

What is so complicated about an inline 6 with a turbo?

...considering the basic design is shared with the existing turbo 4-cylinder....

considering they cannot locate the issue, or have a resolution to the sputter/misfire/hesitation on the 3.6 us 2023-2024 folks are having in 3rd gear low rpm with low load, I have zero trust on this engine being reliable. Lets not even get started with the cam and lifter issues. And this is on a basic NA engine, not something slightly more complicated like turbo engine.

 

[NWJeepr]

considering they cannot locate the issue, or have a resolution to the sputter/misfire/hesitation on the 3.6 us 2023-2024 folks are having in 3rd gear low rpm with low load, I have zero trust on this engine being reliable. Lets not even get started with the cam and lifter issues. And this is on a basic NA engine, not something slightly more complicated like turbo engine.

Well the 3.6 sucks. I was asking about the turbo 3.0. What exactly is so complicated? Turbos aren't new, and this isn't the first turbo engine used by Chrysler/Daimler/FCA/Stellantis

Just because a Jeep tech says "It's complicated" doesn't mean it is. Is it truly complicated, or do the techs lack actual skills?

 

[DaltonGang]

It seems most of the Ram 1500's are getting the 3.0 Hurricane 420hp, in my area. No reason they can't shoehorn it in a JL. A little creative engineering might do it. Maybe split up the radiator. Or, just relocate it. It doesn't have to be in the front.
Or, just bring back the 4.0 from my 1998 TJ, bump up the Horse Power, and make Jeep reliable!e again. Naa this is Stellantis we are talking about. They have to screw it up somehow.

 

[2nd 392]

It seems most of the Ram 1500's are getting the 3.0 Hurricane 420hp, in my area. No reason they can't shoehorn it in a JL. A little creative engineering might do it. Maybe split up the radiator. Or, just relocate it. It doesn't have to be in the front.
Or, just bring back the 4.0 from my 1998 TJ, bump up the Horse Power, and make Jeep reliable!e again. Naa this is Stellantis we are talking about. They have to screw it up somehow.

Sure, you can make it fit, Dad helped his friend put a Studebaker I-6 in his 3B with cutting and fabrication. It didn’t have to pass crash tests, crumple zone requirements or other requirements that could make the T-6 too difficult and expensive for a JL to comply.

My 6 cyl 62 Chevy PU had *280 lb ft, we’ve come a long way in 62 years with the 3.6 V6
*292-6 numbers reduced to 270 lb ft in 71 with SAE net

 

[The Last Cowboy]

The problem isn’t fitting the engine itself. The problem is 2 turbos hanging off the driver’s side of the engine. Plus the intercooler and all of it’s plumbing. Then all of the fresh air intake from the filter, to the turbos, to the throttle body.

 

[grimmjeeper]

From an ongoing issue post i follow, a Jeep technician has to say this:

"Two things I've seen is the plastic thermostat failing (lol) causing overheating, and consistent misfire issues despite multiple software updates.

Just to clarify here, the 3.0TT is the most advanced motor ever installed in our normal line of vehicles. There isn't going to be a "Take it to your trusted mechanic" scenario for this one. I would strongly recommend not going anywhere near this engine for at least half a decade to let any early issues get worked out.

The engine is frankly too complex to be put into a work truck. I suspect high mileage examples of models equipped with this engine will experience European luxury levels of depreciation. The labor cost for repairs down the line will be frankly absurd, especially for a Jeep."

Given the average dealership technician, it doesn't surprise me that they have such difficulty with a "complex" engine.

 

[AFD]

My growing concern is that the next “Wrangler” will be built on the STLA Large platform, and modeled somewhat after the current Land Rover Defender. The Defender is on a modified Jaguar car platform, as are the Range Rovers.

Really not sure what else it would be built on, unless they reuse the current JL frame or design something new.

STLA Frame is the only body-on-frame platform and that's too large for even the 4-door Wrangler, right?

 

[The Last Cowboy]

The STLA Large is modular, so it can be adapted to various wheelbases. But it is also designed and engineered for independent front/rear suspension.

A Wrangler as we know it, would need a dedicated frame/platform.

 

[8ball]

Look again from underneath, there is a TON of space between the engine and the radiator in the 2.0. It still may not be enough for the I-6, but "cramped" is not a way to describe it.

A little space between the engine and radiator isn’t going to make a bit of difference when you’re talking about an inline 6 with twin turbos.

The inter cooler and twin air boxes alone would make it impossible. You need to look at the I-6 hurricane dimensions so you can speak intelligently about it.

 

[8ball]

The problem isn’t fitting the engine itself. The problem is 2 turbos hanging off the driver’s side of the engine. Plus the intercooler and all of it’s plumbing. Then all of the fresh air intake from the filter, to the turbos, to the throttle body.

Exactly. Hence the “twin” word meaning 2 of just about everything associated with turbos. Plumbing, lather inter cooler, and two air boxes.

 

[258_T18A]

You might not agree with this answer but... Nothing. The existing JL Platform has two model years left in it before the J70 Platform replaces it.

It has 3 actually. The J70 is coming in 2028 as a 2029 model year. But your point stands. They're not making big investments in the JL platform. MY2026 will be the upgraded 4xe (bigger battery, revised software). MY2027 will likely be like MY2025 with no real changes. And then MY 2028 will likely be a shorter year to make way for the 2029 J70 Wrangler. The JL is not getting the Hurricane.

 

[258_T18A]

No reason they can't shoehorn it in a JL. A little creative engineering might do it. Maybe split up the radiator. Or, just relocate it. It doesn't have to be in the front.

They would need to do all sorts of testing for emissions, mileage, and crash safety to pass the government standards. They'd have to do the same for internal NVH and warranty/reliability standards. Finance would have to do all sorts of analysis on ROI. Those things all take time and we're already more than 3/4 through the life of the JL platform. Not happening.

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