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My finger is tired from pushing the button. Besides, I'd rather pick my nose and dig for gold. ;)
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Also, customizable for time. Instant as default, after 5 second, 10 seconds, never.

This would keep the engine running for short stops like stop signs or while driving around parking lots searching for a parking spot for the mall crawlers.
So, if you read the first post, you'd realize the brake pedal has sensitivity built in, if you don't press it past a certain point, ESS is disabled. For manuals, it's tied to the clutch, so just leave the clutch in in those situations and it won't shut off. They basically let you do exactly what you want, but no timers or default settings needed, just an extremely minor adjustment to how you drive.
 

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My finger is tired from pushing the button. Besides, I'd rather pick my nose and dig for gold. ;)
What if you used a wad of gum and some duct tape to hold the button down. Would it stay off at ignition if it was constantly depressed?
 
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So, if you read the first post, you'd realize the brake pedal has sensitivity built in, if you don't press it past a certain point, ESS is disabled. For manuals, it's tied to the clutch, so just leave the clutch in in those situations and it won't shut off. They basically let you do exactly what you want, but no timers or default settings needed, just an extremely minor adjustment to how you drive.
I guess this is why some people complain when they park the engine shuts down and then restarts. Some complain, some don’t.

Pull into garage, press brake (hard?), ESS shuts engine off. Put tranny into Park, engine starts, press kill button to turn off engine and vehicle.

If you are light on the brake, you can avoid this scenario? I just don’t see a need for the engine to restart ever time you park. Seems counterintuitive but the Jeep doesn’t know you are parking.
 

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I guess this is why some people complain when they park the engine shuts down and then restarts. Some complain, some don’t.

Pull into garage, press brake (hard?), ESS shuts engine off. Put tranny into Park, engine starts, press kill button to turn off engine and vehicle.

If you are light on the brake, you can avoid this scenario? I just don’t see a need for the engine to restart ever time you park. Seems counterintuitive but the Jeep doesn’t know you are parking.
Yup, if you're light on the brake it won't do ESS - use the same method in stop and go traffic and you won't have to even hit the button to shut it off. If I'm in a line of traffic and I don't see any cars moving ahead, I push the brake in a little harder so it shuts off. If the cars are doing the accordian, I push lightly at a stop and the engine stays running. Pretty easy to figure out once you try it.
 

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What if you used a wad of gum and some duct tape to hold the button down. Would it stay off at ignition if it was constantly depressed?
I dunno. This angst over ESS is a lot like when automakers moved the floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch to the turn signal stalk. It took me a long time to acclimate, because I kept getting my left foot tangled up in the steering wheel.
 

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I have tried the approach multiple times with pressure on the break pedal and sometimes it works and never shut off and other times it shuts off, maybe I am doing something wrong, maybe I need to reread thru the tips on how to manage the ESS system, if I could figure out a way to manage it that would be ok, I do like the idea that @Jeepsterfreak mentioned to have it customizable
 

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It's 2018 we need less things distracting us when driving, not more. We will eventually look back at this as the bad idea that it is. Kinda like those automatic seat belts that were around for like 2 years in the 90's. Will be disabling this.
Good point, where have the automatic seatbelts gone? I guess that’s one convenience us Americans learned to live without. Typically, anything that gets rid of extra motion or exercise is a big hit in our country. BTW - I turn ESS off as soon as I get in my Jeep. It’s not that difficult to hit a button. After all, as an American I can use the exercise!
 

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Here's a tip: turning the wheel restarts the engine as well as removing a little brake pressure, so either will get you ready for that jack-rabbit start when the light turns green.

Sean, I see exactly what you are trying to accomplish, here, but my instincts tell me anything you have to say about ESS will fall on deaf ears. Like you, yourself, said, either you love it (in which case you'll read this thread quickly and nod) or you hate it (in which case you'll write responses attacking the tech, and possibly the poster). It's kind of a lose-lose for you.

I, myself, like the concept, and the engine cycling off and on has never been a cause for concern for me. Like you, I will never understand why people are so opposed to it, even though I've read every thread on this forum concerning ESS. The arguments against just aren't reasonable. But I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince people that they're wrong/just don't get it/it not as bad as you think/it has advantages etc. I think you're probably getting the idea why after reading your responses.
I personally dislike it and turn it off when I get in the Jeep but I do find it to be a smarty invention to meet a standard imposed by govt. Makes absolute sense if your trying to get to 30 mpg
 

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He works at the EPA.
All you have to do is push a button. There are kids starving in Africa. You can do this. We have a standard to meet and it is either the button or Wrangler will never make the 30 mpg threshold.
 

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Good point, where have the automatic seatbelts gone? I guess that’s one convenience us Americans learned to live without. Typically, anything that gets rid of extra motion or exercise is a big hit in our country. BTW - I turn ESS off as soon as I get in my Jeep. It’s not that difficult to hit a button. After all, as an American I can use the exercise!
Automatic seatbelts were killed by the airbags. I believe for a few years the feds required automatic seatbelts or airbags. Airbags won.
 

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Automatic seatbelts were killed by the airbags. I believe for a few years the feds required automatic seatbelts or airbags. Airbags won.
Government mandate won. Automatic seatbelts were actually inferior to manual belts too.
 
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Government mandate won. Automatic seatbelts were actually inferior to manual belts too.
My first car had those automatic seat belts. The motors eventually wore out and I had to just manually attach the shoulder strap anyway, making what would normally be a one step process to two. lol
 

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I have tried the approach multiple times with pressure on the break pedal and sometimes it works and never shut off and other times it shuts off, maybe I am doing something wrong, maybe I need to reread thru the tips on how to manage the ESS system, if I could figure out a way to manage it that would be ok, I do like the idea that @Jeepsterfreak mentioned to have it customizable
I actually noticed this today that even with light pressure for the first time my engine did cut off. Not that I was trying to prevent it, I generally use light pressure on my brakes.

I think your best bet would be to use the manual shifter when coming to a stop. Use the engine to help slow down with down shifting manually and it won't shut off. Just kick the shifter back to auto when taking off.
 

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So what is the alternative to the internal combustion engine? Electric? If you could replace every car in the US today with an electric equivalent, you would need to burn more fossil fuels to generate electricity such that the end result would be a slight INCREASE in actual CO2 emissions. The reality is that we are so far away from having effective alternative sources of energy that can generate the capacity we need, that ICE's are the ONLY option.
Wouldn't solar panels, wind mills and nuclear power plants replace the need to more fossil? Fact is that nuclear is safer today than it's ever been and would resolve many of our CO2 problems. Problem remains in how quickly that spent battery is charged. I like the comfort of five minutes and I'm gone on long trips. Plus not all can charge at home. We do need an infrastructure before EV's rule the road.
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