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You guys are not making this an easy choice!! It seems like I change my mind ever couple of hours!!;)
Let me add this...if I am planning on getting larger tires, and upgraded rims...does that point me to the Rubicon due to the wider setup? Or can I add those to the Sahara without modifying the axels?
Wheel offset will get you there for sure. No need to change axles. If you want the Sahara and the SelecTrac, go for it!
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With the traction control systems on all the new cars, I'm perfectly OK with part time 4H. In my old TJ I shift between 2H & 4H during snowy drives, but now with ESC, I'm fully committed to the Rubi. Bigger tires, longer axles for wider track, Hi-line fenders, stiffer/higher suspension, even down to the higher grade seat upholstery, it's 100% Rubicon for me (It BETTER be offered on the JT!).
I was thinking going Sahara this time around, but after seeing everything I'm with you, as I am 100% set on the Rubicon. I might just throw on the MOPAR 2" lift and Steel Bumper options and then only buy aftermarket wheels with 37s and be done.
 

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Good call. I'm happy to run stock 33s until they wear out, then bump them to 35s. Can't wait to see what Ursa Minor does for the JT. Although a CVT on top would be sweet too.
 
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Wheel offset will get you there for sure. No need to change axles. If you want the Sahara and the SelecTrac, go for it!
This is helpful...but what is the difference between the transmission of the Sahara (selec trac) and the Rubicon? I assume based on what i have read on this forum, that the Selec Trac is better for everyday driving in rain/snow/etc. vs. the setup in the Rubicon which is a more conventional 4H and 4L that need switched as conditions arise?
 

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This is helpful...but what is the difference between the transmission of the Sahara (selec trac) and the Rubicon? I assume based on what i have read on this forum, that the Selec Trac is better for everyday driving in rain/snow/etc. vs. the setup in the Rubicon which is a more conventional 4H and 4L that need switched as conditions arise?
All true. To be clear, the transmissions will be the same.

The transfer cases will differ in that SelecTrac has an "open" differential mode in 4H full time, meaning on dry pavement the drive train won't bind up, where the other transfer case(s) lock in 4wd, so both front and rear axle are synchronized (very bad on dry pavement. $$$).
 

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This is helpful...but what is the difference between the transmission of the Sahara (selec trac) and the Rubicon? I assume based on what i have read on this forum, that the Selec Trac is better for everyday driving in rain/snow/etc. vs. the setup in the Rubicon which is a more conventional 4H and 4L that need switched as conditions arise?
It’s a transfer case , not the transmission, but the primary benefit is being able to enable it in those variable conditions like you mentioned, and is better for stuff like in-town 4x4 driving where you need 4WD to get up and into the mall parkade, but the turn to get in will cause the Rubi’s traditional NV241OR to bind and hop. The advantage of the Rubi, is a higher 4Lo ratio for tough off-road obstacles, or for steep downhills. Rubi might also be a slight bit stronger, the way it is slightly stronger than the standard NV241 in the Sport & Sahara.

We don’t know which SelecTrac it is yeat, but if it is an essentially unchanged NV242, then would be exactly ike the Sport & Sahara’s CommanTrac with the same 2.72:1 ratio etc, but also adding a torque biased Full-time model
 

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Wheel offset will get you there for sure. No need to change axles. If you want the Sahara and the SelecTrac, go for it!
Yeah.. the further you push the wheel mounting surface out on the axle ends the more stress you get. It's always better to have a wider axle and more back spacing.
 

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The transfer cases will differ in that SelecTrac has an "open" differential mode in 4H full time,
Technically not ‘open’ just to be clear and accurate, but a torque biased differential if the same as the NV242, unfortunately as we discussed in the JT thread, we still don’t really know if this is that SelecTrac or something else completely.

The hope of course is for an updated NV242.
 

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Will it be possible to get the high line fenders on a Sahara? Can I order a Sahara without the shiny grill?
 
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It’s a transfer case , not the transmission, but the primary benefit is being able to enable it in those variable conditions like you mentioned, and is better for stuff like in-town 4x4 driving where you need 4WD to get up and into the mall parkade, but the turn to get in will cause the Rubi’s traditional NV241OR to bind and hop. The advantage of the Rubi, is a higher 4Lo ratio for tough off-road obstacles, or for steep downhills. Rubi might also be a slight bit stronger, the way it is slightly stronger than the standard NV241 in the Sport & Sahara.

We don’t know which SelecTrac it is yeat, but if it is an essentially unchanged NV242, then would be exactly ike the Sport & Sahara’s CommanTrac with the same 2.72:1 ratio etc, but also adding a torque biased Full-time model
Yeah, sorry I meant transfer case. This sounds like the setup I have in my current Trailblazer which is always in 2WD but I switch on the fly into AWD in the rain or snow. I can also switch to 4H or 4L. Is that correct, or is the AWD setting more like the Selec Trac?

Thanks for all the great info...and sorry for any dumb questions. :like:
 

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With the traction control systems on all the new cars, I'm perfectly OK with part time 4H. In my old TJ I shift between 2H & 4H during snowy drives, but now with ESC, I'm fully committed to the Rubi. Bigger tires, longer axles for wider track, Hi-line fenders, stiffer/higher suspension, even down to the higher grade seat upholstery, it's 100% Rubicon for me (It BETTER be offered on the JT!).
Plus, good winter tires can compensate for a lack of FT4WD.
 

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Yeah, sorry I meant transfer case. This sounds like the setup I have in my current Trailblazer which is always in 2WD but I switch on the fly into AWD in the rain or snow. I can also switch to 4H or 4L. Is that correct, or is the AWD setting more like the Selec Trac?

Thanks for all the great info...and sorry for any dumb questions. :like:
Selec-Trac should have all those same settings as in your Trailblazer. The "AWD" setting will probably be called FT4WD in Sahara, but it's similar. Rubicon is missing that setting.
 

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Technically not ‘open’ just to be clear and accurate, but a torque biased differential if the same as the NV242, unfortunately as we discussed in the JT thread, we still don’t really know if this is that SelecTrac or something else completely.

The hope of course is for an updated NV242.
It's only torque biased in that the throughput to the rear axle is uninterrupted. But the planetary gear to the front output shaft is in fact considered open, with no viscous coupling or friction disc to bias said torque. So, if the rear wheels spin, the front gets nada. At least until you shift into part time 4H.
 
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Selec-Trac should have all those same settings as in your Trailblazer. The "AWD" setting will probably be called FT4WD in Sahara, but it's similar. Rubicon is missing that setting.
So the Rubicon will have 2WD, 4H and 4L only. Shift into 4H on snow and rain, keep it in 2 the rest of the time. :fist bump:
 
 







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