Got a warning for no mirrors.

[melendez69]

I thought this was going to be another 'check engine light' discussion.

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[zouch]

cant see* any (good) reason why anyone would drive without mirrors anyway.


*see what i did there?

 

[NWJeepr]

specifically, where

FMVSS, Standard 111, Rear Visibility, S5.2

S5.2 Outside rearview mirror—driver's side.

S5.2.1 Field of view. Each passenger car shall have an outside mirror of unit magnification. The mirror shall provide the driver a view of a level road surface extending to the horizon from a line, perpendicular to a longitudinal plane tangent to the driver's side of the vehicle at the widest point, extending 2.4 m out from the tangent plane 10.7 m behind the driver's eyes, with the seat in the rearmost position. The lineof sight may be partially obscured by rear body or fender contours. The location of the driver's eye reference points shall be those established in Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 104 (§ 571.104) or a nominal location appropriate for any 95th percentile male driver.

Other subsections address the requirement for a passenger side mirror with detailed criteria. Go read it for yourself.

 

[NWJeepr]

Now who is it applicable to?

Right...this is where you say it's a Federal law and it applies to automakers like Jeep who produce the Wrangler, and all that is true. And then you're going to say Wisconsin state law supersedes that requirement for operating a vehicle on public roadways, again, not wrong. None of this changes the fact that mirrors are required as a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard for good reason, and it's a good idea to have them, and use them, again, even if your bumfuck state doesn't require side mirrors to legally operate your Jeep on its roads..

What else would you like to argue about? Seatbelts?

 

[NWJeepr]

So the cop was wrong, thank you.

They're humans, they're not particularly well paid, and they have a lot of legalese to remember. Cut a cop a break sometime? Thin Blue Line? Jesus.

 

[Punkn89]

Be honest, some of y’all are just afraid of this happening because of that special face you got.

 

[AcesandEights]

...but did you die?

 

[TrailScooter]

Bullshit.

According to the Wisconsin legislature, a motor vehicle only needs a mirror that can reflect for a distance of 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle. A rearview mirror complies with this statement. It specifically omits the use of the word outside mirrors for motor vehicles and only uses the phrase for motor busses.

If you ever get ticketed, take it to court. It wont hold up.

347.40
(1)  No person shall operate any motor vehicle upon a highway unless such vehicle is equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the roadway for a distance of 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle.
(2) No person shall operate on a highway any school bus having a passenger-carrying capacity of 10 or more persons including the operator unless such bus is equipped with at least one mirror which is 7 inches in diameter so located as to enable the operator to see a reflection of the road from the entire front bumper forward to a point where direct observation is possible.
(3) No person may operate or permit the operation of any motor bus on a highway unless the bus is equipped with 2 outside rearview mirrors, one to the right and one to the left of the operator. Each mirror shall have not less than 50 square inches of unobstructed reflective surface and shall be firmly supported and adjustable to give the operator a clear view past both the right and left rear of the bus.
History: 1975 c. 84; 1987 a. 235.
Cross-reference: See also ss. Trans 305.26 and 305.44, Wis. adm. code.

SOURCE: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/347/iii/40

Try explaining all this to officer Portley.

 

[2nd 392]

They're humans, they're not particularly well paid, and they have a lot of legalese to remember. Cut a cop a break sometime? Thin Blue Line? Jesus.

The 70’s, Sacramento Sheriff every election year would start getting headlines by “running the Hells Angels out of the county”, “cleaning up the prostitution” etc. Anyone on a HD was targeted and harassed. Two cars, three deputies, shotgun in hand for a “flickering taillight” full anal inspection on 3 of us. While he was writing the fix it ticket I tightened the ground strap with a dime, signed - returned it fixed, sign it off….. 55 in a 45 the 55 sign was moved to the next street…… 60 in a 55, right lane slower than the flow of traffic everyone is going too fast but so were you….. pulled over after followed for miles, cheap stop reason forgotten but full inspection turn signals not DOT.
Does Just Following Orders apply ?

The warning typically given before the fancy Cat House in an old downtown victorian bust wasn’t given. The headline grabbing bust included state assemblymen, senator, and a Judge. IIRC. No usual warning screw up not appreciated by the powerful, backing and therefore the election was lost. Good riddance, Karma exists.

Not speculation- per a Police Department Captain family friend.

 

[TrailScooter]

They're humans, they're not particularly well paid, and they have a lot of legalese to remember. Cut a cop a break sometime? Thin Blue Line? Jesus.

Yeah, I have the same attitude with my pilot and doctor. Pheh, knowing one's job is over rated.

 

[NWJeepr]

Yeah, I have the same attitude with my pilot and doctor. Pheh, knowing one's job is over rated.

Good thing it was just an oops with regard to a state vehicle equipment law. Just think, he could have crashed a plane or caused a fatal medication error!

 

[autotragic]

Yeah, I have the same attitude with my pilot and doctor. Pheh, knowing one's job is over rated.

Well this doesn't really apply to pilots but for doctors since the third leading cause of death in the US is medical malpractice checking to make sure your doctor actually knows what the hell is going on isn't a bad idea.

I was just reading I think it was yesterday about a doctor that was supposed to remove a spleen and removed the liver instead and of course the guy died on the operating table. The doctor then had the nerve to go explain to the patients wife that his spleen was so diseased that it was four times larger than it was supposed to be and not in the right place...

Pilots actually get check rides and have to maintain currency.

 

[NWJeepr]

Did someone say to crucify him? What now, we can't even say "hey government employee, you're enforcing the law wrong" without being whined at?

I have my ways of effecting change and you have yours. Whine about it on a forum, I don't care. If it were my deal, since it was just a warning, I'd probably contact the PD, explain what happened, and ask about the applicable laws. Probably not clutch my pearls about unlawful stops and trying to tell the officer roadside that he's doing his job wrong. YMMV.

 

[Nitehawk92]

Bullshit.

According to the Wisconsin legislature, a motor vehicle only needs a mirror that can reflect for a distance of 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle. A rearview mirror complies with this statement. It specifically omits the use of the word outside mirrors for motor vehicles and only uses the phrase for motor busses.

If you ever get ticketed, take it to court. It wont hold up.

347.40
(1)  No person shall operate any motor vehicle upon a highway unless such vehicle is equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the roadway for a distance of 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle.
(2) No person shall operate on a highway any school bus having a passenger-carrying capacity of 10 or more persons including the operator unless such bus is equipped with at least one mirror which is 7 inches in diameter so located as to enable the operator to see a reflection of the road from the entire front bumper forward to a point where direct observation is possible.
(3) No person may operate or permit the operation of any motor bus on a highway unless the bus is equipped with 2 outside rearview mirrors, one to the right and one to the left of the operator. Each mirror shall have not less than 50 square inches of unobstructed reflective surface and shall be firmly supported and adjustable to give the operator a clear view past both the right and left rear of the bus.
History: 1975 c. 84; 1987 a. 235.
Cross-reference: See also ss. Trans 305.26 and 305.44, Wis. adm. code.

SOURCE: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/347/iii/40

If it was me I would of asked the officer to show my where in the motor vehicle laws (Ohio Revised Code in my case) it states that I have to have sideview mirrors. Not to be a smart ass, but so I will know. There has been debate over the years about whether they are actually required or not. So if the officer can show me, I will believe it...

 

[Jeepaddict76]

Bullshit.

According to the Wisconsin legislature, a motor vehicle only needs a mirror that can reflect for a distance of 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle. A rearview mirror complies with this statement. It specifically omits the use of the word outside mirrors for motor vehicles and only uses the phrase for motor busses.

If you ever get ticketed, take it to court. It wont hold up.

347.40
(1)  No person shall operate any motor vehicle upon a highway unless such vehicle is equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the roadway for a distance of 200 feet to the rear of such vehicle.
(2) No person shall operate on a highway any school bus having a passenger-carrying capacity of 10 or more persons including the operator unless such bus is equipped with at least one mirror which is 7 inches in diameter so located as to enable the operator to see a reflection of the road from the entire front bumper forward to a point where direct observation is possible.
(3) No person may operate or permit the operation of any motor bus on a highway unless the bus is equipped with 2 outside rearview mirrors, one to the right and one to the left of the operator. Each mirror shall have not less than 50 square inches of unobstructed reflective surface and shall be firmly supported and adjustable to give the operator a clear view past both the right and left rear of the bus.
History: 1975 c. 84; 1987 a. 235.
Cross-reference: See also ss. Trans 305.26 and 305.44, Wis. adm. code.

SOURCE: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/347/iii/40

Similarly written in Florida. I know people in my local Jeep club who have been ticketed when solely using rear view mirror due to oversized spare tire blocking view. Just a thought if running a large spare tire without side mirrors.

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