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i wonder why so many people get their panties in a wad about having to have a stripped 2 door, or just a 2 door in general but then you look at their profile and most say that have an Unlimited lol
Perhaps because they couldn’t get a 2dr V8, or Diesel, or XR pkg, or SOT, maybe ? .. ? me
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In effect, Jeep will install a Honda generator under the bonnet to charge the battery. This will improve reliability and probably increase the range compared to other electric vehicles. I like the idea!
 

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This could be compelling...if it's somehow done so it's not too damn fragile while still feeling like a Wrangler that can be built upon / upgraded.

Imagine 100% of your torque being available at 0 RPM. Maybe motors at each wheel? Lockers, transfer cases, differentials, transmissions, etc. all become irrelevant.

The engine no longer has to be a compromise between low end torque, high end power, and economy. The engineers can focus on the specific RPMs that work best for those goals since it's the motors that vary speed instead of the engine. Such an engine should be able to generate a lot of power pretty damn efficiently.

Hopefully Jeep will be able to pull it off. We'll see, but it looks like this is the path that Mazda might take with their RX-8 replacement using their rotary engine:
 

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2028 no more 2 doors if they’re going that type of hybrid. And they said they’re getting rid of the diesel
Getting rid of the diesel? '23 was the last year of the diesel Wrangler.
 

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We’ll see how much of that comes to pass. Stellantis has already walked back making Dodge fully electric by 2024. And their CEO has publicly stated that going to a fully electric fleet isn’t possible given the known reserves of natural resources needed.
 

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I mean why range extenders in general haven't been a thing. I don't see the real point of a range extender over a phev for most cases. There is a niche of people who do drive really far daily but want electric and the range extender but most people don't. Most drive under 30 miles a day and phev is just cheaper with it's smaller battery and gas parts vs big battery and gas parts.

Mostly I question how effective and what role the whole ram/j70 range extender is supposed to fill and if it will actually be enough people to matter vs just a 4xe.
I can tell you why I wanted a EV+range extender and not a PHEV. It's an EV most of the time but can use gas for those rare days when battery range isn't enough. For us a typical PHEV would use gas most days. We put around 1,500 miles a month on the i3.
 

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Just wondering, but if they've got the new Jeep Recon coming out next year as their all-electric off-roader, then why the need for such focus on Wrangler electrification?

Nothing wrong with electric/hybrid options alongside ICE as long as there's demand for either, but with only talk of electric and no mention at all of future ICE-only powertrains, there's always that terrible thought that the J70 is when the Recon becomes the Wrangler.

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Just wondering, but if they've got the new Jeep Recon coming out next year as their all-electric off-roader, then why the need for such focus on Wrangler electrification?

Nothing wrong with electric/hybrid options alongside ICE as long as there's demand for either, but with only talk of electric and no mention at all of future ICE-only powertrains, there's always that terrible thought that the J70 is when the Recon becomes the Wrangler.

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A glimmer of hope for the future 2 days ago https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com>next-gen-hemi-v8-dodge-stellantis-muscle . Scroll to Could there be a new hemi V8 in the works since it didn’t give the whole link….. In related news the official Ford 700 HP Mustang gen 5 Whipple SC kit is being upgraded to an 800 HP gen 6 / F150 still the 700hp kit- for now . Meanwhile, the Big Stella Rumor is the T-6 muscle cars will get a 10-20 hp higher tune than a GW…. WOW !… My GCSRT is a 15, it presently appears it’s replacement will be a Ford.
 
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I just spent a week driving an EV, a 2023 Volvo C40 Ultimate.

It’s unlike anything I ever imagined. A Volvo with 400hp+ and 486ft-lb torque. Point, shoot, and hang on. There I was flogging it on canyon roads, driving the piss out of it in one-pedal mode. It’s by far one of the most fun driving experiences I’ve had in a modern car, period.

Charging was no big deal. Never had range anxiety. It didn’t burst into flames or have to be charged on the side of the road with a gas generator.

Give me an EV Wrangler with at least a 300 mile range. I want one.
 

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Jeep HQ ?! Sack the Manager, that’ll fix everything. An Italian with a career in Brazil knows the American market, or was that a French guy… German ?
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Ok, I had to check this. If all people fire simultaneously, it looks like the two at the bottom would survive… ?

In fact, the guy in blue on the left looks like he is turning to the guy on his right and saying something to the effect of, “Hey, I think we are going to survive this!”

So yep, these two will be the ones to design the next Jeep, apparently. ?‍♂
 

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Whole lots of factors for why they didn't sell more including lack of understanding from the general public, BMW price tag, lowish EV range and they are fugly. They were also marketed as a city car, which makes sense, and the range extender was optional "emergency only" thing.

PHEV is a different thing. You get a very short EV only range, but mostly it's just a hybrid. Most people can't go battery only with a PHEV, and our i3 has gone weeks or perhaps months without using gas. In fact, ours used to go into a maintenance mode once in a while where it runs the engine just to keep fluids circulated and internal parts lubed.
You're describing the 4xe.
If you have a lot of short local trips, you can go for weeks on electric only an there is a maintenance mode (FORM). If you hit the highway or go for a longer drive, you'll go full hybrid where motors and engine kick in.
 

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Yep...along with skyrocketing prices and the lack of a bare bones off-road model, this news confirms that my JL is likely the last Jeep product I'll ever buy...as if Stellantis cares.
Same Ford and GM are losing billions quarterly on EV’s people don’t want them or can’t afford them the infrastructure isn’t there and never will be. Electronics is not a strong point for Jeep the lots are full of the the 4XE can’t sell them, just like Ford. The government is the problem not what consumers want or need. Before they do all that, fix the goddamn paint issues Jesus.
 

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I kick myself daily for not buying this one instead, that was sitting in the dealers showroom the day I took delivery of my red 2dr Willys! 2003 Rubicon with 30K miles on it, and clean as a whistle!
Idiot! ?

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I’m with you! I kick myself daily for selling my 2006 TJ 6-speed to buy more parts for my JL. My TJ was never a DD… only 52,000 miles on it when I sold it, and it had a long list of mods… My wife told me not to sell it, so she kicks me twice per day.

It sold in a blink — for about three times the KBB estimate (and less than half the asking price on the red TJ in your picture.)

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