front sag

[MyDaughters20JL]

'20 rubi, looking to the future when I get the cash to afford a front bumper and winch...
don't know what the factory bumper weighs, but the Westin wj2 full bumper is 101 pounds, the apex winch is 86.5.
Lets call the total 200 pounds: how much will the difference between the factory plastic POS and the new bumper/winch make in the height of the front end?
if there's too much (I suppose that's subjective), what's a good cure? better shocks (no planning, at this time to lift it) or is is something less expensive & easier?

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[limeade]

Shocks only provide dampening, they won't hold the front end up, that's the spring's job. The cheap way is to take measurements before and after the install and then install a set of front coil spring spacers which correspond with the amount of height you lost.

 

[MyDaughters20JL]

Shocks only provide dampening, they won't hold the front end up, that's the spring's job. The cheap way is to take measurements before and after the install and then install a set of front coil spring spacers which correspond with the amount of height you lost.

perfect! thanks much!

 

[BMorgan]

Shocks only provide dampening, they won't hold the front end up, that's the spring's job. The cheap way is to take measurements before and after the install and then install a set of front coil spring spacers which correspond with the amount of height you lost.

What’s the expensive way? New springs with a higher rate? Taller springs?

 

[Kevin Mojito]

Not sure if you are a gasser or diesel. The diesel spring will hold the weight. You should see 1 to 1.5 drop after bumper and winch.

 

[MyDaughters20JL]

Not sure if you are a gasser or diesel. The diesel spring will hold the weight. You should see 1 to 1.5 drop after bumper and winch.

whoa! you just gave me a thought....
it's a gasser...so I'll just find a set of springs from a diesel rubi...problem solved?

 

[Kevin Mojito]

That will kill 2 birds with one stone. Lift and nose sagging. It will feel more like 3/4 truck ride. No brake drive, cornering much improved. If I did not have a bad back they would still be on my JLUR 3.6.

Look for springs 3667AD 3601AA

I just sold my set a few weeks back. They come up in the for sale ads.

 

[limeade]

What’s the expensive way? New springs with a higher rate? Taller springs?

Yes. You'd have a couple options though. You could opt for a higher rate JL spring or an aftermarket spring. The problem with this is you may end up with too much "lift" in the front. Whereas if you go the spacer route, you know exactly how much lift you're adding.

 

[blnewt]

With my Rubicon spring swap and 180 lbs of bumper & winch added I ended up using a 3/4" Rugged Ridge front spring spacer. Got it back to level and kept basically the same ride.
Hard to tell, but here's a before & after. This is the spacer I used, it states that it's for a JK, but works just fine for a JL too!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GT8AJPW

 

[dpike]

Pooch cameo gets you an upvote !

 

[DToxic]

With my Rubicon spring swap and 180 lbs of bumper & winch added I ended up using a 3/4" Rugged Ridge front spring spacer. Got it back to level and kept basically the same ride.
Hard to tell, but here's a before & after. This is the spacer I used, it states that it's for a JK, but works just fine for a JL too!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GT8AJPW

I'm looking to add the same spacer kit to mine. My braking and handling performance got much worse with the added front weight. Do you think a higher spring rate spring would still be best? Or are you happy enough with the spacers?

 

[blnewt]

I'm looking to add the same spacer kit to mine. My braking and handling performance got much worse with the added front weight. Do you think a higher spring rate spring would still be best? Or are you happy enough with the spacers?

It's been fine for me, ideally a stiffer spring would probably be the best plan though as there is more dive when hard braking. Those Rubicon springs are pretty compliant so I'd be afraid I'd lose some on-road comfort if I went that route. Always seems to be a fine line we're walking

 

[McCoys]

I just did a leveling kit 2 inches up front. 1.5 inches in the rear.

front: arb bumper, winch and lights - 260lbs
Rear: roof rack, rear bumper, tailgate reinforcement, gear - 270lbs
Sides: side steps 130lbs

total weight: 660lbs. Still havent swapped my stock springs and im on 34s lool no rub whatsoever

 

[Jeep&dogs]

It took 3/4” spacers to level my Jeep with the winch and steel bumper and the factory springs. With the Dynatrac lift I put the same 3/4” spacer in the front and I still have a little over 1/4” rake in the front.

 

[DToxic]

Thanks for all the replies! I think I'll go with the spacer route first and see if I need the stiffer springs.
Would the springs from a JLUR Rubicon with steel bumper from the factory be closer to the OEM feel than the diesel springs? Does anyone have this PN?

I really liked how the car handled stock. I felt in total control and braking wasn't so scary.

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