First video surfaces of the JL that ran over a woman at EJS

[farrell5000]

Maybe he had a throttle booster installed? I have never understood why you would want one but maybe.

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[xtopherm]

Watch and judge.

Also see original discussion thread: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...fari-accident-involving-his-jl-rubicon.27764/



And here is an update on the victim: http://www.moabsunnews.com/news/art...3gV8By834tJNJXJT_onp4pdTuLRZr_rxzUYAb8-NwbFLk

And if anyone feels so, you can donate to the victim of this incident here: https://www.gofundme.com/lauras-journey-to-recovery

She was life flighted out of the scene and nearly had a left amputated, as well as other injuries.

I'll admit I know nothing about what happened here, but based on a trail accident from a week ago that I witnessed first hand, I suspect this was a simple "pedal error" issue. In other words, I bet his mind was certain he was on the brake but he was actually on the gas and just could not get himself to lift off because he thought it was the brake (in fact, stomped harder.) This is a very well-documented phenomenon (for example, it is what was going on with those runaway Audis), and it is top of mind because I just saw it happen first hand on my last trip out a week ago - in fact, my Jeep was hit by one of the Jeeps slammed into by the runaway Jeep. In the accident I witnessed a week ago, there is no doubt that in the accident I witnessed that the driver was on the gas (engine was roaring) but he swore he was on the brake. We tested the brakes immediately afterwards and they worked fine. He just plowed down a rocky hill and into a line of Jeeps. That video of AmericanJeeper looks awfully similar. Due to pedal placement relative to driver, some makes and models seem to have more vulnerability to pedal error than others - hopefully the new JLs are not one of the models with more propensity ( @JeepCares ). Glad I drive a manual transmission - left leg clutch reflex will always work even if the right leg is confused...

 

[djmason9]

For all of the people on here saying American Jeeper was driving like an idiot I would like to point to this video of a guy driving way more reckless. Just before this accident, in fact American Jeeper was doing the trail with these people and can be seen on the video before the wreck. I for one have seen A LOT of people driving WAY worse than American Jeeper with no injuries. This is the same obstacle and even a Jeep JL Rubicon, I would say this guys was way more irresponsible.

I would chalk his accident up to a freak accident.

 

[PadreFreddie]

This is better than Game of Thrones, shit!

 

[kkuntz01]

im confused, even with an auto, thats your top speed in 4 low? did the trans not shift?

seems like top speed in auto at 6k RPMS would be closer to 50MPH than 5mph



the point here is 20MPH is certainly attainable even in 4low in a VERY short amount of time. even if he only got to 2nd gear, your tire speed at that shift with an (assumed) electronically or physically floored throttle from 1st to 2nd would still be 8mph with 4to1, 4.11s and 35s. tire speed is 12mph at the top of second gear with the same running gear. 17MPH if you top out 3rd gear.

here are the calculated wheel speeds for each gear in the auto JLs with 4.10s and 4to1 in the transfer case

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I can only guess your speeds are "theoretical" since a Rubicon in 4lo would be lucky to hit 30-35mph before something grenaded.

 

[kkuntz01]

I would say this guys was way more irresponsible.

I would chalk his accident up to a freak accident.

Irresponsible? He may have been turtled but he never lost control of his rig.

 

[fat_head]

For all of the people on here saying American Jeeper was driving like an idiot I would like to point to this video of a guy driving way more reckless. Just before this accident, in fact American Jeeper was doing the trail with these people and can be seen on the video before the wreck. I for one have seen A LOT of people driving WAY worse than American Jeeper with no injuries. This is the same obstacle and even a Jeep JL Rubicon, I would say this guys was way more irresponsible.

I would chalk his accident up to a freak accident.

Nobody in this thread said he was driving like an idiot. Turn down your sensitivity dial.

 

[DanW]

Love all these diagnosis' and specialists in here.

I realize everyone is just trying to give their two sense and opinions but literally, not one person was there or has looked at the Jeep yet. Stop with assumptions.

As far as the crowd goes and blame etc... When people go wheeling, off-roading etc, they accept all the responsibility AND risks involved as a driver, passenger and bystander. There is always a risk of injury in any motorsport, recreational or professional. These things do happen even when the bystanders are believed to be out of harms way, shit happens. Fortunately, everyone survived this incident and Im glad to hear she's in good spirits on her road to recovery.

Ok, so help me understand what you are saying....You want us to stop giving our 2 cents, but then you want us to hear yours? That'd work out really well for you, I guess.

I see nothing wrong with this discussion and I enjoy hearing everyone's 2 cents, including yours.

 

[kkuntz01]

I'm teaching my daughter to drive and my left hand is ALWAYS near the emergency brake. Of course I don't want to find out if it works or not

Just a point of clarification, the Wrangler doesn't have an "emergency brake". It has a parking brake, and not a particularly good one either. At least on the JK's, though I don't think they've made earth shattering improvements to it for the JL.

 

[D60]

Peeps, isn't the emergency brake for, you know, EMERGENCIES?? Any reason why it would not have been engaged when the Jeep started to accelerate?

As a novice driver myself, I'd like to know if grabbing the e-brake would have (or have not) been a good call when things went sideways.

I know several have responded to you, but you're not entirely off track.

I was always taught the emergency brake is a last resort. Problem is I'm used to full-size trucks and so my brain would still want to stab a pedal against the left kick panel. The right-hand JL brake is very "car" to me and so I need to re-train my brain there.

AFAIK law still requires the e-brake to be mechanically engaged, and this IS a good thing to know in case of hydraulic failure.

All beginning drivers should be taught if the pedal goes to floor you stomp or grab for the e-brake.

NOW, is it meant to stop you from any considerable speed? NO! But ANY reduction in speed is beneficial - it could be the difference between life-altering injuries and scrapes and bruises. It could provide that extra 1.5 seconds for pedestrians to get out of the way, etc.

It's irresponsible to say that just because the e-brake is weak relative to primary brakes it's not a viable last-ditch method to MITIGATE damage or injury.

Now none of that really applies here but I find it frustrating and a little scary no one else KNOWS this is a GOOD thing to know about.

"I looked at Earl and his eyes was wide. His lip was curled and his leg was fried. I says, 'Earl I'm not the type to complain but the time has come for me to explain that if you don't apply some brake real soon they're gonna have to pick us up with a stick and a spoon...."

 

[Andrew05LJR]

Ok, so help me understand what you are saying....You want us to stop giving our 2 cents, but then you want us to hear yours? That'd work out really well for you, I guess.

I see nothing wrong with this discussion and I enjoy hearing everyone's 2 cents, including yours.

I don't really take it to heart if you hear my 2 cents or not, this is the internet and peoples feelings get hurt way too easily! Point is, theres a difference between a discussion and the wording several people are using assuming someones fault. My 2 cents were regarding the shared risk everyone takes in this sport, not what happened or how or why.

 

[djmason9]

Nobody in this thread said he was driving like an idiot. Turn down your sensitivity dial.

My sensitivity is down I'm just pointing out this out. I think there are some folks on here that might suggest that he was driving like an idiot, or being reckless.

 

[word302]

For all of the people on here saying American Jeeper was driving like an idiot I would like to point to this video of a guy driving way more reckless. Just before this accident, in fact American Jeeper was doing the trail with these people and can be seen on the video before the wreck. I for one have seen A LOT of people driving WAY worse than American Jeeper with no injuries. This is the same obstacle and even a Jeep JL Rubicon, I would say this guys was way more irresponsible.

I would chalk his accident up to a freak accident.

Huh? Where was the reckless driving?

 

[GreyFox]

Just a point of clarification, the Wrangler doesn't have an "emergency brake". It has a parking brake, and not a particularly good one either. At least on the JK's, though I don't think they've made earth shattering improvements to it for the JL.

True, but I'm going with if shit goes south I hopefully can reduce our speed. So far, she is doing well on regular state routes. We haven't tried the interstate yet. But at least learning to drive with a Jeep, when she gets in another car she will be like "WTF is wrong with this steering?"

 

[djmason9]

Huh? Where was the reckless driving?

yeah you're right, totally safe. One guy directly in front of a jeep being shaken by two other guys directly behind the spinning wheels while the driver guns it. . What could possibly go wrong?

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