FCA fined $77M for missing fuel economy requirements

[UKCATS]

Exactly. I remember when I bought my hellcat getting some kind of gas tax crap.

Yeah, it’s like a $1000 tax on Scat Pack manuals. Our last few non Wrangler vehicles have been a Challenger Scat Pack, Grand Cherokee SRT, and a Power Wagon. Lot of gallons per smile!

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[nerubi]

First thing learned in economics class - companies don't pay taxes or fines, their customers and shareholders do. Another reason, along with the emissions fine, that the cost of Wranglers has gone up so much in the last few years.

 

[smokinjeep]

Lets be honest, if you can afford a 50K+ rubicon you probably arnt worried about gas prices. I know i dont. now if it hit 5 bucks a gallon then maybe.

 

[Jeeper Fever]

On another note . . . Do existing and potential Wrangler owners seriously consider fuel economy?

I never have! All the gas stations know my name

I am Chevron's best customer.

Fill'er up!

 

[Northeastbst]

What's an mpg?

All I know to do is put gas in when the needle is near "E".

 

[hutchman]

My Jeep is my gas mileage vehicle.....

 

[@OUTDOORTREE]

It’s probably my fault, to much wheeling, I get my mpg up to 18–19 mpg, during the week, and one weekend wheeling , down to 12-13 I’m in wheeling anonymous trying to get help.....

Exactly. Winter was bad for the MPGs because I had to do donuts in every parking lot.

 

[multicam]

Bought my Jeeps without contemplating fuel economy.

On a semi-related note, I went to a fairly large Jeep dealer today in Temple, TX and they had exactly ZERO manual transmission Wranglers on the lot. I test drove an auto then ordered a manual. Leap of faith, I guess...

 

[Chomper]

Nope. I drive what I want with no regard for fuel economy. Would be nice if the Federal government stayed in it’s lane. That whole 10th amendment thing and all.

Not to get too political, but too many people look to government as authority and forget that we are the authority and government is in servitude.

 

[Pic18]

This fine is no surprise. Considering FCA boasts Hellcats, Demons, Srt vehicles, Ram trucks and stopped selling fuel efficient small cars, there’s no way they are hitting fuel efficiency standards.

 

[UKCATS]

Not to get too political, but too many people look to government as authority and forget that we are the authority and government is in servitude.

You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, most (not all) of our young people, have been indoctrinated into just the opposite.

 

[Rahneld]

Here's where I'm a little confused.

I don't know how much money this fine "is" to FCA--in the sense that exec are shrugging their shoulders knowing "it as worth it," or worried about getting fired. Either way, their legal team will fight it I'm sure.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they could have gotten substantial improvements in performance out of the 2.0L maybe this fine could have been avoided, and yet they didn't, but Racechips is?

It was well explained to me how the aftermarket can legitimately tune factory rigs, suggesting Racechips results, if worthy of peer review, may also be [for the most part]/[in some cases] legit. But wouldn't FCA have had major incentive to incorporate some [if not all] of these gains themselves to avoid this fine?

Maybe a little tuning in one member of FCA's fleet (the 2.0L JL,) which was evaluated as a whole (the fleet) with these CAFE standards wouldn't have amounted to beans. Again, maybe the fine is beans compared to the sales coming in, or at leasst a worthy tradeoff for FCA.

$77 million seems to me a lot of money on any entity's books.

 

[fat_head]

Not to get too political, but too many people look to government as authority and forget that we are the authority and government is in servitude.

Facts aren't political.

 

[Jo's Jeep]

San Diego to Santa Clarita and back last night, stopped for gas TWICE. Sometimes I get asked by a Hybrid owner at a gas station or parking lot, does that Jeep use a lot of gas? I wryly grin and say... Yep.

 

[VNT]

Another reason to hope the mess at the EPA is cleaned up and the CAFE rules are drawn down.

Let the market decide what gets built and sold and get rid of the fines, which are passed on to the customer.

We are swimming in oil and some politicians think they have a right to dictate what we drive, we probably paid an extra 400$ per Wrangler to cover the fine, and the 77 mil will be wasted. I remember this when I walk into the voting booth and vote accordingly.

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