Farout Jeep Wrangler announced as Rubicon Diesel final edition -- sad day today for the diesel crowd [UPDATED: with official press release]

[Teqsand]

His smile would disappear if he dragged raced many EV’s. I enjoy the freeway on ramp races.

Drag race? how about LA to Dallas, still bet on the EV?

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[grimmjeeper]

Drag race? how about LA to Dallas, still bet on the EV?

Or any 450 mile highway run...

 

[MidwestJeeper]

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Diesel engines are not compatible with light duty vehicles. They are barely OK in a heavy duty pickup, but even then, the reality is that something like the Ford 7.3L gasoline is better than the 6.7 diesel in most applications. Diesels are good for trucks that are pulling heavy loads 100,000 miles/year.
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Would you care to explain this? Is this from an emissions standpoint where a diesel needs to be worked hard (such as constantly pulling heavy loads) for the emissions to function properly?
Or is this more related to short trips and regen on light duty vehicles or 3/4 tons?

Just curious to understand.

 

[MidwestJeeper]

Drag race? how about LA to Dallas, still bet on the EV?

LA to Dallas, part way on Route 66 and you can also up the stakes by throwing in a detour to include Route 50.

The diesel doesn't care about the added detour.

 

[rickinAZ]

Drag race? how about LA to Dallas, still bet on the EV?

I'm a big fan of ICEs, but sooner than we think, the EV will destroy the fossil fuel vehicle in a long distance race. Unfortunately, progress marches on, and Luddite-like reluctance won't slow them down anymore than than the horse/buggy people had success in derailing the ICEs in the first place. We improved roads, built gasoline refuelling stations and moved on from there. And...unlike EVs, the first ICE vehicles had the disadvantage of having abysmal realiabiity.

I'm still not an EV fan, but I am a realist.

 

[Teqsand]

I'm a big fan of ICEs, but sooner than we think, the EV will destroy the fossil fuel vehicle in a long distance race. Unfortunately, progress marches on, and Luddite-like reluctance won't slow them down anymore than than the horse/buggy people had success in derailing the ICEs in the first place. We improved roads, build gasoline refuelling stations and moved on from there. And...unlike EVs, the first ICE vehicles had the disadvantage of having abysmal realiabiity.

I'm still not an EV fan, but I am a realist.

Once someone like tesla puts in a hot swap battery and you have battery stations vs gas station then yes... till then the pure EV is really worthless as a traveling vehicle

 

[grimmjeeper]

I'm a big fan of ICEs, but sooner than we think, the EV will destroy the fossil fuel vehicle in a long distance race. Unfortunately, progress marches on, and Luddite-like reluctance won't slow them down anymore than than the horse/buggy people had success in derailing the ICEs in the first place. We improved roads, build gasoline refuelling stations and moved on from there. And...unlike EVs, the first ICE vehicles had the disadvantage of having abysmal realiabiity.

I'm still not an EV fan, but I am a realist.

We will get there for sure. But it will take time.

Personally, I'm waiting for one of the manufacturers to start up with swappable battery packs in some kind of subscription service. That would solve the recharge time issue. It would also amortize the cost of a battery replacement over the life of the subscription. When that works out, the others will likely follow suit.

For now though, I'm sticking with my diesel. When the diesel is done I'll look at the options available.

 

[MountainRigged]

And the Wrangler will? If not, what non-EV Wrangler models would make the cut based on fuel economy? The ED with 22/29, the 3.6 with 21/26 or the 2.0 with 21/24?

Eco rubi is 21 26

 

[FCCinAZ]

I’ve said it dozens of times as an EV owner, EV’s will be obsolete for many reasons but most importantly, because they don’t change the carbon based energy economy. If anything, they exacerbate it because most of the raw materials are controlled by China which fuels its industrial machine with coal power. Even if the USA converted to 100% EV’s, the global CO2 emissions will be little changed but the power hierarchy will be. Maybe that’s why China funds all sorts of US environmental lobbyists and NGO’s. This is not even mentioning the looming environmental impact of millions of dead batteries that are not easily recycled.

ICE will be supplanted by something, but EV’s have too many drawbacks to propel us into the future. Until that time, we occupy ourselves by rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic and arguing about it. It would be refreshing if someone would articulate a real transition plan that didn’t involve bankrupting the current generation.

 

[FCCinAZ]

Post script, I’ll miss the 3.0 very much and wish I had room for one in my stable. Great engine, when it ran for me, and everything a Jeep should be.

 

[Chupacabra]

We will get there for sure. But it will take time.

Personally, I'm waiting for one of the manufacturers to start up with swappable battery packs in some kind of subscription service. That would solve the recharge time issue. It would also amortize the cost of a battery replacement over the life of the subscription. When that works out, the others will likely follow suit.

For now though, I'm sticking with my diesel. When the diesel is done I'll look at the options available.

So I'm going to swap my brand-new battery pack for some janky unknown battery? That's 10x worse than swapping my brand-new propane tank for some rusty POS tank at the propane tank exchange.

No way I'm going to swap a $20,000 battery pack out for one of unknown provenance. Besides, each EV has batteries designed to fit into a very limited space, I just don't see a universal fit battery pack working very well either.

But I could be wrong

 

[Chupacabra]

I'm a big fan of ICEs, but sooner than we think, the EV will destroy the fossil fuel vehicle in a long distance race. Unfortunately, progress marches on, and Luddite-like reluctance won't slow them down anymore than than the horse/buggy people had success in derailing the ICEs in the first place. We improved roads, build gasoline refuelling stations and moved on from there. And...unlike EVs, the first ICE vehicles had the disadvantage of having abysmal realiabiity.

I'm still not an EV fan, but I am a realist.

I am not on the EV bandwagon yet either, but wouldn't mind owning one. But the day an EV can "destroy" an ICE vehicle in along distance race is a LONG way out, if ever.

 

[Cutterone]

So I'm going to swap my brand-new battery pack for some janky unknown battery? That's 10x worse than swapping my brand-new propane tank for some rusty POS tank at the propane tank exchange.

No way I'm going to swap a $20,000 battery pack out for one of unknown provenance. Besides, each EV has batteries designed to fit into a very limited space, I just don't see a universal fit battery pack working very well either.

But I could be wrong

Keep in mind these batteries can weight thousands of pounds, try swapping that quickly on a trip without a forklift...

 

[Cutterone]

I’ve said it dozens of times as an EV owner, EV’s will be obsolete for many reasons but most importantly, because they don’t change the carbon based energy economy. If anything, they exacerbate it because most of the raw materials are controlled by China which fuels its industrial machine with coal power. Even if the USA converted to 100% EV’s, the global CO2 emissions will be little changed but the power hierarchy will be. Maybe that’s why China funds all sorts of US environmental lobbyists and NGO’s. This is not even mentioning the looming environmental impact of millions of dead batteries that are not easily recycled.

ICE will be supplanted by something, but EV’s have too many drawbacks to propel us into the future. Until that time, we occupy ourselves by rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic and arguing about it. It would be refreshing if someone would articulate a real transition plan that didn’t involve bankrupting the current generation.

Real position, Hydrogen fuel cells...???

 

[Chupacabra]

Keep in mind these batteries can weight thousands of pounds, try swapping that quickly on a trip without a forklift...

Yep, there is that as well

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