EcoDiesel vs 4XE

[Dyolfknip74]

I had a 4xe on order and followed things closely. The NHTSA official site has a lot of logged issues with the 4xe and at last check a few weeks ago, the polls for the 4xe in the Facebook owners group and on the site dedicated to it have ~1/4 of people having had serious issues requiring more than a week in the shop, many unresolved. I understand that's weighted towards the complainers but even if it's 50% high, that's 1/10 people having very serious issues for a car that is for most owners not one year old.

The straw that broke me out of that order were the many reports both at NHTSA and in forums of the highway shut downs. As in driving 75 MPH and the car just completely goes black and you have to muscle it to the shoulder. That's nucking futs.

They've sold almost 30k of them. Like 15% of all Wranglers.

Like I said, a few isolated incidents does not kill a model.

https://www.wtol.com/amp/article/li...well/512-e7b04490-f1fe-4d5d-b875-0b9c8cf654a7

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[john adams]

They've sold almost 30k of them. Like 15% of all Wranglers.

Like I said, a few isolated incidents does not kill a model.

https://www.wtol.com/amp/article/li...well/512-e7b04490-f1fe-4d5d-b875-0b9c8cf654a7

I don't doubt their popularity. It was the best test drive I had and the use case for most people is under 25 miles per day.

I would not call all the reports of issues "isolated," especially the types of issues being reported.

I have higher hopes for the next generation of the 4xe.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

I don't doubt their popularity. It was the best test drive I had and the use case for most people is under 25 miles per day.

I would not call all the reports of issues "isolated," especially the types of issues being reported.

I have higher hopes for the next generation of the 4xe.

We don't have actual numbers but if it wasn't isolated, I think we would hear a lot more about it. Especially here.

FCA is putting a lot of eggs into the 4Xe basket. I too look forward to how it progresses.

 

[Zandcwhite]

The savings of a 4xe come in to play for the short daily trips where you can run in fully electric mode. If your primary use is roadtrips or long drives, the diesel is probably the way to go. I don't own an ecodiesel, but I've read about issues with regens and maybe the diesel not liking mostly frequent short trips. In that regard they are kind of opposite use cases, accept most of us can't justify buying 2 Jeeps which is where the 4xe fits both uses a little better in my opinion. Daily drive gas free week in and week out, assuming you're within 25 miles and/or have access to a charger at both home and work which would bump that up to 50 miles/ day. Holiday weekend roadtrips just fine albeit not the most fuel efficient model. I for one appreciate the massive variety of choice we have in the Wrangler lineup now. Different strokes for different folks and/or uses.

 

[john adams]

We don't have actual numbers but if it wasn't isolated, I think we would hear a lot more about it. Especially here.

FCA is putting a lot of eggs into the 4Xe basket. I too look forward to how it progresses.

Of course there are no actual numbers but over at the 4xeforum, there are thread after thread of issues. And most polls look like this.

https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/poll-4xe-issues.525/#post-4637

And all those issues are for a brand new $65,000 vehicle. Imagine what it will be like as they age and with obsolete technology in 5 years.

I'll say it again. It was by far the most fun Wrangler to test drive. And it fit my use case decently. (I am a binary driver doing either short or long trips...few in between.) I want to like it but it has flaws exacerbated by the problem of low inventory of 4xe parts and inexperienced service.

FIngers crossed that all the buyers of the model make it so the next generation is better. I'd like a 100 mile range (25 when warm, 16 when cold is tough) and some improved highway mileage (18 highway is a bummer).

 

[Dyolfknip74]

Of course there are no actual numbers but over at the 4xeforum, there are thread after thread of issues. And most polls look like this.

https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/poll-4xe-issues.525/#post-4637

And all those issues are for a brand new $65,000 vehicle. Imagine what it will be like as they age and with obsolete technology in 5 years.

I'll say it again. It was by far the most fun Wrangler to test drive. And it fit my use case decently. (I am a binary driver doing either short or long trips...few in between.) I want to like it but it has flaws exacerbated by the problem of low inventory of 4xe parts and inexperienced service.

FIngers crossed that all the buyers of the model make it so the next generation is better. I'd like a 100 mile range (25 when warm, 16 when cold is tough) and some improved highway mileage (18 highway is a bummer).

Lol, I'd say that poll is on par for any FCA product, wouldn't you? You're right about the tech not aging well though for sure.

Ya, TBH, the electric only mileage is what turned me off of it as well. As the battery ages, that doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for range to go down. And they're a spendy replacement.

 

[john adams]

Lol, I'd say that poll is on par for any FCA product, wouldn't you? You're right about the tech not aging well though for sure.

Ya, TBH, the electric only mileage is what turned me off of it as well. As the battery ages, that doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for range to go down. And they're a spendy replacement.

For sure re brand. To me there's "it's a Jeep thing" when there's the death wobble and "it's a Jeep thing" when the car shuts down going 75mph and then sits in the shop for 4 weeks.

Here's a 370 post thread about the highway shutdown...and you can see the many threads thereafter discussing the same issue still happening to new owners in March 2022.

https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/charging-system-error-that-caused-engine-to-shutdown.170/

 

[Dyolfknip74]

For sure re brand. To me there's "it's a Jeep thing" when there's the death wobble and "it's a Jeep thing" when the car shuts down going 75mph and then sits in the shop for 4 weeks.

Here's a 370 post thread about the highway shutdown...and you can see the many threads thereafter discussing the same issue still happening to new owners in March 2022.

https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/charging-system-error-that-caused-engine-to-shutdown.170/

There is a reason you were a founding father for your country, you love a good debate

Ya, I'm not saying it isn't an issue, I'm just saying I don't think it's as big of an issue as a forum would make someone think that.

Anyway, it really comes down to how FCA is going to deal with it. Hopefully they actually figure it out as opposed to letting the end users or aftermarket sort out the issue like they do with so much other shit.

Cheers on a great discussion though my man. It's refreshing to see another person with a different point of view that doesn't get all pissy when countered. Doesn't happen online much these days.

 

[GATORB8]

Of course there are no actual numbers but over at the 4xeforum, there are thread after thread of issues. And most polls look like this.

https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/poll-4xe-issues.525/#post-4637

And all those issues are for a brand new $65,000 vehicle. Imagine what it will be like as they age and with obsolete technology in 5 years.

I'll say it again. It was by far the most fun Wrangler to test drive. And it fit my use case decently. (I am a binary driver doing either short or long trips...few in between.) I want to like it but it has flaws exacerbated by the problem of low inventory of 4xe parts and inexperienced service.

FIngers crossed that all the buyers of the model make it so the next generation is better. I'd like a 100 mile range (25 when warm, 16 when cold is tough) and some improved highway mileage (18 highway is a bummer).

That forum is so strange to me for a Jeep forum. Maybe 10% of the topics are about any kind of modification or change. I jumped on when I was bored one day and there may be two members that even know what a lift kit is.

Seems that everyone there only got it because it’s a killer lease deal, and they’re all trying to run it like a BEV.

 

[Strommen95]

They've sold almost 30k of them. Like 15% of all Wranglers.

Like I said, a few isolated incidents does not kill a model.

https://www.wtol.com/amp/article/li...well/512-e7b04490-f1fe-4d5d-b875-0b9c8cf654a7

I generally agree that forums are not an indicator for reliability in any measure. However, with the 4XE specifically, the amount of posts about issues is concerning. When you consider there's about 10 3.6/2.0s on the road for every 4XE, that figure is actually probably higher, yet there's roughly a similar amount of posts sharing issues.. That doesn't bode well for the 4XE.

 

[john adams]

There is a reason you were a founding father for your country, you love a good debate

Ya, I'm not saying it isn't an issue, I'm just saying I don't think it's as big of an issue as a forum would make someone think that.

Anyway, it really comes down to how FCA is going to deal with it. Hopefully they actually figure it out as opposed to letting the end users or aftermarket sort out the issue like they do with so much other shit.

Cheers on a great discussion though my man. It's refreshing to see another person with a different point of view that doesn't get all pissy when countered. Doesn't happen online much these days.

All good and who cares: We both have diesels!

Also, I consider myself and advocate for holding FCA accountable to raise its status. We in this community are way too forgiving. I want badly for the 4xe to succeed. It's the Wrangler I wanted.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

All good and who cares: We both have diesels!

Also, I consider myself and advocate for holding FCA accountable to raise its status. We in this community are way too forgiving. I want badly for the 4xe to succeed. It's the Wrangler I wanted.

I'm actually a 2.0 owner. Lol. The irony.

Cheers man.

 

[GSLSE21B]

Yep, as I say there are many reasons to prefer one over the other. Of course in this case it isn’t torque either. EcoDiesel very impressive 442 ft lbs. 4xe 470. ;-)

 

[mikegil]

Of course there are no actual numbers but over at the 4xeforum, there are thread after thread of issues. And most polls look like this.

https://www.4xeforums.com/threads/poll-4xe-issues.525/#post-4637

And all those issues are for a brand new $65,000 vehicle. Imagine what it will be like as they age and with obsolete technology in 5 years.

I'll say it again. It was by far the most fun Wrangler to test drive. And it fit my use case decently. (I am a binary driver doing either short or long trips...few in between.) I want to like it but it has flaws exacerbated by the problem of low inventory of 4xe parts and inexperienced service.

FIngers crossed that all the buyers of the model make it so the next generation is better. I'd like a 100 mile range (25 when warm, 16 when cold is tough) and some improved highway mileage (18 highway is a bummer).

Well we may not agree on the level of issues in the real world, but I will say that I went into this with eyes wide open…anytime you sign up to be an early adopter, you enjoy the benefits before anyone else, but you get to do the learnings too - I think people forget that ;-). There aren’t many issues with the 3.6, not because it was born a perfect engine, but because it’s been used a thousand times in a thousand platforms (slight exaggeration I admit) and the bugs have been worked out. It‘s a nice little engine and I almost went for it, but truth is I really want the 4xe to succeed and blaze a path for something better. It’s all well and good being a cheerleader for something, but it amounts to nothing if you aren’t willing to put your money where your mouth is. So I did…it may not work out as well as we hope, but it’s still a Jeep and a blast to drive, so how bad is it going to be? (Yes, I know that’s a dangerous question to ask, even rhetorically!). You know what I love most about the Jeep Nation…that we have so many options and everyone is so passionate about theirs! I think that’s fantastic….better than the ‘one cheese and one cheeseburger to put it on’ approach of certain mfrs I could mention (but won’t).

 

[JL Diesel]

I agree. However, I am way surprised at how quiet this actually is. You can tell it’s a diesel, but I would argue at highway it is quieter than the 3.6. Difference in RPM’s is the difference I am sure.

I agree. How quiet it actually is threw me when I first test drove one but I like that you still hear that diesel chatter which makes me smile

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