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i tried going up a dune in 4h but when i started losing momentum the car started "modulating" the power, it started to shudder, stutter, shake and came to a stop, this is the first time i take my jl on sand, i shifted it into 4low and it started in 2nd, i applied some throttle but the power was being cut, i floored the gas pedal and the same it dug bit by bit and then suddenly the rpm spiked and i dug my tire half way.

so i tried to take this vid on a small incline with soft sand to explain what i was facing, this is in 4low 2nd gear, front and rear difs locked and half throttle, i didnt move my foot at all but if u can hear the car was modulating the rpms as if traction control or something was still on.

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i tried going up a dune in 4h but when i started losing momentum the car started "modulating" the power, it started to shudder, stutter, shake and came to a stop, this is the first time i take my jl on sand, i shifted it into 4low and it started in 2nd, i applied some throttle but the power was being cut, i floored the gas pedal and the same it dug bit by bit and then suddenly the rpm spiked and i dug my tire half way.

so i tried to take this vid on a small incline with soft sand to explain what i was facing, this is in 4low 2nd gear, front and rear difs locked and half throttle, i didnt move my foot at all but if u can hear the car was modulating the rpms as if traction control or something was still on.

Ouch, too bad you don't have a limited-slip differential... :bandit:
 
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forgot to mention its an auto 8 speed with middle east spec rubicon.
 

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again my problem isnt that im getting stuck, or cant go up the dunes, my problem is its not driving like a normal "usual" jeep, in jks with the fuse pulled and other trucks and suvs i've driven when you lose momentum or start from a stand still in soft sand and you keep ur foot on the gas you will dig yourself down to the frame, i cant do that i reach a point where i lose momentum on an incline and the jl starts to shake and chatter and so on till it comes to a stop, i shift in 4low and give it a little gas and its starts crawling bit bit while my foot is steady on the gas, i cant get the rpms over 1500-2000 without it cutting over and over, it seems strange to me.
 

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Traction control is gimmicky it may work about 25% of time but other times like in the dunes you want to have full control so turn it off and avoid a computer attempting to deal with the sand. Momentum is your friend in sand.
 

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I was always told to let air out of the tires, down to 5-10 PSI when in the sand. I rented a Jeep on Nantucket and they said, if I didn't let the air out, and got stuck on the beach, I would have to pay for the tow. Most beach areas have multiple air stations when coming off the beach. Let air out, and there shouldn't be a problem.
 

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By my experience the traction control system will work..
So you have to go to the fuse box and disable it from there
When the desert adventure is over, return the fuse.
on the jk i haven't seen anyone do it on the jl yet, if you did can you show me what fuse you pulled ?
 

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on the jk i haven't seen anyone do it on the jl yet, if you did can you show me what fuse you pulled ?
I was doing it on Jk
I do not have JL
But I will give you a picture of the fuse box that belongs to JL

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Location Description Size Type
F01 Spare
F02 Starter 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F03 IBS 5 Amp Tan Micro
F04 Fuel Pump MTR/FPCM 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F05 Security Gateway 5 Amp Tan Micro
F06 Spare
F07 LTR Cool Pump — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F08 TCM-8HP CYGNUS 15 Amp Blue Micro
F09 Spare
F10 KIN/RF HUB/ESCL 15 Amp Blue Micro
F11 UCI Port (USB & AUX) 10 Amp Red Micro
F12 HIFI Ampliftier 25 Amp Clear Micro
F13 Spare
F14 Spare
F15 IPC/SWITCH BANK-HD ELEC 15 Amp Blue Micro
F16 Spare
F17 Spare
F18 AC CLUTCH 10 Amp Red Micro
F19 Spare
F20 CBC 1-INTERIOR LIGHTS 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F21 REAR WIPER 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F22 ECM/PCM/MGU WAKE UP/PPU WAKE UP 10 Amp Red Micro
F23 PCM/ECM 10 Amp Red Micro
F24 Spare
F25 MOD_SBW 10 Amp Red Micro
F26 CBC 2-EXTERIOR LIGHTS #1 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F27 Front Wipers 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F28 CBC 3-POWER LOCKS 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F29 CBC 4-EXTERIOR LIGHTS #2 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F30 Spare
F31 DIAGNOSTIC PORT 10 Amp Red Micro
F32 HVAC CTRL MOD/SCL/OCM/DPDM 10 Amp Red Micro
F33 PTS/IRCM/AIRBAG DISABLE LMPS 10 Amp Red Micro
F34 ESC/EHPS/SBCM WAKE UP 10 Amp Red Micro
F35 BRAKE VAC PMP — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F36 TRLR TOW MOD — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F37 TRLR TOW CONN 7W — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F38 ECM 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F39 Spare
F40 DTCM/AXLE LOCK FT_RR 15 Amp Blue Micro
F41 IC/SGW WAKE UP 15 Amp Blue Micro
F42 PCR CTRL FEED (ESS)/SPARE (BSG) — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F43 PWR OUTLET (CARGO) BATT 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F44 IRCAM HEATERS 10 Amp Red Micro
F45 PWR OUTLET (CARGO) IGN* 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F46 AUTO HDLP LVL MOD/LVL MTR/HDLP SW 10 Amp Red Micro
F47 Spare
F48 Spare
F49 ORC 10 Amp Red Micro
F50 HD ACC — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F51 DSRC/USB/ISRVM/CSGM 10 Amp Red Micro
F52 CIGAR LTR 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F53 Spare
F54 Spare
F55 Spare
F56 IN-CAR TEMP SENSOR 10 Amp Red Micro
F57 Frt Drvr Htd Seat 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F58 Frt Pass Htd Seat 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F59 Spare
F60 CSWM (HTD STR WHEEL) 15 Amp Blue Micro
F61 LBSS/RBSS 10 Amp Red Micro
F62 Spare
F63 ORC 10 Amp Red Micro
F64 Spare
F65 Spare
F66 HVAC BLOWER MTR FRT 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F67 Spare
F68 Spare
F69 MGU (BSG) — If Equipped 5 Amp Tan Micro
F70 INJ/IGN COIL (GAS)/GLO PLUG MOD (DSL) 25 Amp Clear Micro
F71 Spare
F72 HD ELEC ACC PKG — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F73 PWR TOP LT 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F74 PWR TOP RT 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F75 PPU-BPCM & APM (BSG) — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F76 ECM (GAS)/PCM (DSL) 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F77 HTD MIRRORS 10 Amp Red Micro
F78 COMP/INTRUSION/SIREN/INTRUSION SNSRS 10 Amp Red Micro
F79 SMART BAR CTRL MOD 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F80 PCM 15 Amp Blue Micro
F81 REAR DEFROSTER (EBL) 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F82 FUEL HTR — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F83 GLOW PLUG — If Equipped 60 Amp Yellow Cartridge
F84 UREA HTR CTRL UNIT — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F85 PM SENSOR — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F86 BRAKE VAC PMP 2 — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F87 SUPPLY/PURGING PMP — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F88 NOx SENSOR #1/ #2 — IF Equipped 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F89 SCCM/CRUISE CTL/DTV 10 Amp Red Micro
F90 TRLR TOW PARK LMP — If Equipped 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F91 HORN 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F92 HD ACCY #2 — If Equipped 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F93 HD ACCY #1 — If Equipped 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F94 TPM/CORAX 10 Amp Red Micro
F95 Spare
F96 PWR MIRROR SW 10 Amp Red Micro
F97 RADIO/TBM 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F98 SW BANK-HD ELEC/OFF ROAD 10 Amp Red Micro
F99 Spare
F100 ESC-ECU & VALVES 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F101 DTCM 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F102 DUAL USB PORT 15 Amp Blue Micro
F103 HD ACCY #3 — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F104 PPU COOL PUMP — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F105 ICS/HVAC 10 Amp Red Micro
F106 ESC-PUMP MTR 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F107 TRLR TOW STOP/TURN LT — If Equipped 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F108 HD ACCY #4 — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F109 TRLR TOW STOP/TURN RT — If Equipped 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F110 POWER INVERTER 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F111 TRLR TOW BACKUP — If Equipped

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I was doing it on Jk
I do not have JL
But I will give you a picture of the fuse box that belongs to JL

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Location Description Size Type
F01 Spare
F02 Starter 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F03 IBS 5 Amp Tan Micro
F04 Fuel Pump MTR/FPCM 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F05 Security Gateway 5 Amp Tan Micro
F06 Spare
F07 LTR Cool Pump — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F08 TCM-8HP CYGNUS 15 Amp Blue Micro
F09 Spare
F10 KIN/RF HUB/ESCL 15 Amp Blue Micro
F11 UCI Port (USB & AUX) 10 Amp Red Micro
F12 HIFI Ampliftier 25 Amp Clear Micro
F13 Spare
F14 Spare
F15 IPC/SWITCH BANK-HD ELEC 15 Amp Blue Micro
F16 Spare
F17 Spare
F18 AC CLUTCH 10 Amp Red Micro
F19 Spare
F20 CBC 1-INTERIOR LIGHTS 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F21 REAR WIPER 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F22 ECM/PCM/MGU WAKE UP/PPU WAKE UP 10 Amp Red Micro
F23 PCM/ECM 10 Amp Red Micro
F24 Spare
F25 MOD_SBW 10 Amp Red Micro
F26 CBC 2-EXTERIOR LIGHTS #1 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F27 Front Wipers 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F28 CBC 3-POWER LOCKS 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F29 CBC 4-EXTERIOR LIGHTS #2 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F30 Spare
F31 DIAGNOSTIC PORT 10 Amp Red Micro
F32 HVAC CTRL MOD/SCL/OCM/DPDM 10 Amp Red Micro
F33 PTS/IRCM/AIRBAG DISABLE LMPS 10 Amp Red Micro
F34 ESC/EHPS/SBCM WAKE UP 10 Amp Red Micro
F35 BRAKE VAC PMP — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F36 TRLR TOW MOD — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F37 TRLR TOW CONN 7W — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F38 ECM 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F39 Spare
F40 DTCM/AXLE LOCK FT_RR 15 Amp Blue Micro
F41 IC/SGW WAKE UP 15 Amp Blue Micro
F42 PCR CTRL FEED (ESS)/SPARE (BSG) — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F43 PWR OUTLET (CARGO) BATT 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F44 IRCAM HEATERS 10 Amp Red Micro
F45 PWR OUTLET (CARGO) IGN* 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F46 AUTO HDLP LVL MOD/LVL MTR/HDLP SW 10 Amp Red Micro
F47 Spare
F48 Spare
F49 ORC 10 Amp Red Micro
F50 HD ACC — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F51 DSRC/USB/ISRVM/CSGM 10 Amp Red Micro
F52 CIGAR LTR 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F53 Spare
F54 Spare
F55 Spare
F56 IN-CAR TEMP SENSOR 10 Amp Red Micro
F57 Frt Drvr Htd Seat 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F58 Frt Pass Htd Seat 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F59 Spare
F60 CSWM (HTD STR WHEEL) 15 Amp Blue Micro
F61 LBSS/RBSS 10 Amp Red Micro
F62 Spare
F63 ORC 10 Amp Red Micro
F64 Spare
F65 Spare
F66 HVAC BLOWER MTR FRT 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F67 Spare
F68 Spare
F69 MGU (BSG) — If Equipped 5 Amp Tan Micro
F70 INJ/IGN COIL (GAS)/GLO PLUG MOD (DSL) 25 Amp Clear Micro
F71 Spare
F72 HD ELEC ACC PKG — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F73 PWR TOP LT 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F74 PWR TOP RT 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F75 PPU-BPCM & APM (BSG) — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F76 ECM (GAS)/PCM (DSL) 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F77 HTD MIRRORS 10 Amp Red Micro
F78 COMP/INTRUSION/SIREN/INTRUSION SNSRS 10 Amp Red Micro
F79 SMART BAR CTRL MOD 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F80 PCM 15 Amp Blue Micro
F81 REAR DEFROSTER (EBL) 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F82 FUEL HTR — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F83 GLOW PLUG — If Equipped 60 Amp Yellow Cartridge
F84 UREA HTR CTRL UNIT — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F85 PM SENSOR — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F86 BRAKE VAC PMP 2 — If Equipped 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F87 SUPPLY/PURGING PMP — If Equipped 10 Amp Red Micro
F88 NOx SENSOR #1/ #2 — IF Equipped 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F89 SCCM/CRUISE CTL/DTV 10 Amp Red Micro
F90 TRLR TOW PARK LMP — If Equipped 20 Amp Blue Cartridge
F91 HORN 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F92 HD ACCY #2 — If Equipped 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F93 HD ACCY #1 — If Equipped 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F94 TPM/CORAX 10 Amp Red Micro
F95 Spare
F96 PWR MIRROR SW 10 Amp Red Micro
F97 RADIO/TBM 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F98 SW BANK-HD ELEC/OFF ROAD 10 Amp Red Micro
F99 Spare
F100 ESC-ECU & VALVES 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F101 DTCM 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F102 DUAL USB PORT 15 Amp Blue Micro
F103 HD ACCY #3 — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F104 PPU COOL PUMP — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F105 ICS/HVAC 10 Amp Red Micro
F106 ESC-PUMP MTR 40 Amp Green Cartridge
F107 TRLR TOW STOP/TURN LT — If Equipped 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F108 HD ACCY #4 — If Equipped 15 Amp Blue Micro
F109 TRLR TOW STOP/TURN RT — If Equipped 20 Amp Yellow Micro
F110 POWER INVERTER 30 Amp Pink Cartridge
F111 TRLR TOW BACKUP — If Equipped

FUSE BOX DIAGRAM.jpeg
Ahmed, where is your JL ? You will like it...
 

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again my problem isnt that im getting stuck, or cant go up the dunes, my problem is its not driving like a normal "usual" jeep, in jks with the fuse pulled and other trucks and suvs i've driven when you lose momentum or start from a stand still in soft sand and you keep ur foot on the gas you will dig yourself down to the frame, i cant do that i reach a point where i lose momentum on an incline and the jl starts to shake and chatter and so on till it comes to a stop, i shift in 4low and give it a little gas and its starts crawling bit bit while my foot is steady on the gas, i cant get the rpms over 1500-2000 without it cutting over and over, it seems strange to me.
Aww crap. I hit some nasty sand few weeks back and my Rubi was shaking and chattering and what not. I thought that was normal lololol

Sorry, new to offroad and jeeping. So this SHOULDNT happen? Do I need to bring it in? I believe I was in 4H not 4L
 
 



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