Diesel: Legally delete after 25years

[pablo_max3045]

I'm in this for the LONG haul. If none of the rules change, would it be legal to do a "delete" once the rig hits 25years old?

Deletes are a federal crime , Just ask the Diesel Brothers.
BTW, also not legal in TX. Checking through the linked articles in their site, there is no mention of a 25 year cutoff.
https://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/mobilesource/vetech/tampering.html

I know you can import 25 yo cars, but you cannot modify them either.
Not saying I am an expert in this, but since they passed that EPA stuff a while back, the 25 year thing is gone since Federal law trumps any local stuff.
Depends on where you live if you get caught though, or if it will be enforced anyhow.
That being said, you've got to smoke a crap ton of crack to think that 25 years from now the EPA will not frag you from a gun ship "call of duty style" the second they detect you've done it

Just out of curiosity, does it really make much of a difference? I recall years ago I removed all the emission stuff on an old Montero. The only thing that happened was that it made everything worse
I am not a fan of the DPF either, but they check for that over here. Even in Australia it's an automatic 10k fine and they tend to care even less about environmental issues.

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[PillowFightr]

I wouldn't delete.. I would modify in a way that i can flip a switch and it goes back to stock.. Thats what i want. Some middle ground hassle free headache free setup!

I dont need the entire +120 torque, +80 hp, +6 to 8 MPG and 600K mile engine
I am okay with +80 torque, +60 hp, +3 to 5 MPG and 400K mile engine

 

[Plongson]

I'll probably be dead in 25 years...will the EPA come after me? They better have a fire suit.

 

[JeepVT]

We will be driving electric in 25yrs, but something about big batteries and rock crawling make me nervous.

 

[DaltonGang]

Food for thought.
With the decrease in MPG, because of all the diesel emissions, how much more Fuel are you having to burn, in 100,000 miles. Does that offset the polution?? Also, more frequent oil changes, due to soot getting by the rings. Doesn't this equate into the pollution factor?? Also, greatly reduced engine life and engine component life. Factor that into increased pollution, to replace parts. Also, the production of the Blue DEF causes pollution. Is that factored in?? How about the Regeneration Mode?
A well tuned diesel will not polute, near as much as a gasoline engine.
Something to think about.

 

[GSLSE21B]

I'll probably be dead in 25 years...will the EPA come after me? They better have a fire suit.

 

[JimLee]

 

[Bndrpa1]

Deletes are a federal crime , Just ask the Diesel Brothers.
BTW, also not legal in TX. Checking through the linked articles in their site, there is no mention of a 25 year cutoff.
https://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/mobilesource/vetech/tampering.html

I know you can import 25 yo cars, but you cannot modify them either.
Not saying I am an expert in this, but since they passed that EPA stuff a while back, the 25 year thing is gone since Federal law trumps any local stuff.
Depends on where you live if you get caught though, or if it will be enforced anyhow.
That being said, you've got to smoke a crap ton of crack to think that 25 years from now the EPA will not frag you from a gun ship "call of duty style" the second they detect you've done it

Just out of curiosity, does it really make much of a difference? I recall years ago I removed all the emission stuff on an old Montero. The only thing that happened was that it made everything worse
I am not a fan of the DPF either, but they check for that over here. Even in Australia it's an automatic 10k fine and they tend to care even less about environmental issues.

Marijuana is a federal crime also??? Just saying.

 

[rickinAZ]

In 25 years we’ll be busy polluting Mars.

 

[00 Trans Ram]

OP, that's not the way those laws work. They almost always say something like, "All cars manufactured after [date] must be equipped with [item]." Seatbelts, airbags, catalytic converters, etc. The reason many >25yo cars delete certain things is because they weren't mandated when that particular model was made. Basically, if it was mandated when your car was built, it will be mandated for the life of the car.

The exception is if you do not operate the car on a public highway. Once you do that (and actually, it's more a matter of NOT doing anything - don't renew the registration with the DMV), you can cancel insurance, tear up the registration, and remove anything you want. Just have to tow it from Point A to Point B. Or, never drive it off your own property.

Source - have turned a 100% stock and street legal 2000 Trans Am WS-6 into a GT1-class road race car.

 

[four low]

I wouldn't delete.. I would modify in a way that i can flip a switch and it goes back to stock.. Thats what i want. Some middle ground hassle free headache free setup!

I dont need the entire +120 torque, +80 hp, +6 to 8 MPG and 600K mile engine
I am okay with +80 torque, +60 hp, +3 to 5 MPG and 400K mile engine

So did Volkswagen, and look what happened to them...

 

[Arterius2]

I'm in this for the LONG haul. If none of the rules change, would it be legal to do a "delete" once the rig hits 25years old?

25 years?
Your diesel woun't be running after 5, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Also in 25 years, they'll slap so much emission laws on cars that you will literally be able to stick your nose up the exhaust pipe and take a quaff.

 

[hybrid3.0]

Reminds me of the switch from leaded gas to unleaded fuel plus emissions in the 70’s and 80’s. The first emissions cars had such poor performance everyone was finding ways to bypass or eliminate catalytic converters, egr and other emissions pieces; dancing around local inspection requirements as needed. Not long after the speed crowd was taking off these parts, others were faced with poorly manufactured parts like catalytic converters failing at 60k miles so many would just replace them with a staight pipe at 1/5 the replacement cost. Fast forward to today we have cars whose emissions are clean, have ridiculous performance (300+ hp in a grocery getter sedan) and are much more reliable. This has come at huge cost increases and complexity, but otherwise modern cars are so much better than older cars. During my youth, any pre-emission car from the 60’s and early 70’s was so much better than contemporary junk from the 80’s. When I look at RV forum discussions talking about the transition to EGR, DPF and DEF fluid, it seems whereas Cummins diesels like the ISL and ISM models pre-DEF are putting out 350,400,500 hp, power is up for later models by 50-100 hp and better mileage up by 10% as reported by RV owners who have lived with both. Granted, the complexity makes repairs difficult and more expensive, but I like the clean air. Having spent some time abroad in Europe with the bulk of motors running diesel in a pre-emissions era the pollution is definitely a big lifestyle detriment so I am for the clean technology as long as there are guidelines about the durability to the devices. If a car has a reasonable life of 150k miles it makes sense that the emissions should hold up for this time. When long haul truckers are getting 900k miles before an overhaul, I don’t know if you can ask the same, but I appreciate the reduced emissions as long as we go about it in a reasonably economic way.

 

[DaltonGang]

Reminds me of the switch from leaded gas to unleaded fuel plus emissions in the 70’s and 80’s. The first emissions cars had such poor performance everyone was finding ways to bypass or eliminate catalytic converters, egr and other emissions pieces; dancing around local inspection requirements as needed. Not long after the speed crowd was taking off these parts, others were faced with poorly manufactured parts like catalytic converters failing at 60k miles so many would just replace them with a staight pipe at 1/5 the replacement cost. Fast forward to today we have cars whose emissions are clean, have ridiculous performance (300+ hp in a grocery getter sedan) and are much more reliable. This has come at huge cost increases and complexity, but otherwise modern cars are so much better than older cars. During my youth, any pre-emission car from the 60’s and early 70’s was so much better than contemporary junk from the 80’s. When I look at RV forum discussions talking about the transition to EGR, DPF and DEF fluid, it seems whereas Cummins diesels like the ISL and ISM models pre-DEF are putting out 350,400,500 hp, power is up for later models by 50-100 hp and better mileage up by 10% as reported by RV owners who have lived with both. Granted, the complexity makes repairs difficult and more expensive, but I like the clean air. Having spent some time abroad in Europe with the bulk of motors running diesel in a pre-emissions era the pollution is definitely a big lifestyle detriment so I am for the clean technology as long as there are guidelines about the durability to the devices. If a car has a reasonable life of 150k miles it makes sense that the emissions should hold up for this time. When long haul truckers are getting 900k miles before an overhaul, I don’t know if you can ask the same, but I appreciate the reduced emissions as long as we go about it in a reasonably economic way.

Yes, the emissions have come a long way, for gas powered vehicles. They are more powerful and reliable, than pre-emissions era vehicles. .
But, not true for diesels worldwide. Especially Long Haul Trucking. Their reliability, and longevity have tanked, since the Draconian Emission Laws came into effect. Their repair costs have also skyrocketed. Maybe, in the future, diesel emissions will improve, but it hasnt happened yet. That is why, people that actually know something about diesel emissions, do not like the modern diesels, or are yanking the emission off their vehicles. Unfortunately, the Big Rigs are so scrutinized, and fined, if their emissions are tampered with, they have no choice but to live with it.

 

[Iggy]

I think wanting to pollute anything is immature and irresponsible. The coal rolling pickups, dumping oil on the ground, deleting smog equipment, etc. it all says you don’t care about your family, your friends, fellow citizens and any others. It’s all about you and your very small world.

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