RDoug
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Way worse!
I had mentioned earlier in this thread that diesel engines consume a ton more air during cruising than a gas motor, due to lack of throttle plate, turbo wastegate, etc. My understanding is that under moderate load/throttle they are basically sucking the same amount of air as they would at WOT. Combine this with snow of the right consistency and weather conditions, etc, and it all seems plausible to me.On a side note, I'm beginning to wonder if VAG was onto something, when they began installing "snow screens" in all of their TDI models, upstream of their OEM intake filter boxes. People (including myself) would rip them out, in the hopes to gain a hp or two.
Food for thought.
Forever in the back of my mind when I shower, I'll be thinking about this post. Made me laugh.Way worse!
Some people on here, just don't seem to understand, what the right texture of snow, along with either or both high speeds on a highway, and/or gale force winds can do.
I rented a Maxima over 15 years ago, that was equipped with an OEM ram air intake system. I was driving in gale force snow storm on the highway for about 90 minutes non-stop. The engine began to sputter and hesitate, as I pulled up into my driveway. Guess why?
Exactly .
Was this a rare occurence? Yes it was. Was the Bronco incident a "rare occurence"? Yup. Was what the OP experienced in this thread rare? Yes it was.
Can lightning strike down the street and fuk you up in the shower? Yes it can. Does shit happen? Yes.
Is everything man made written in stone, with zero exceptions? Nope.
On a side note, I'm beginning to wonder if VAG was onto something, when they began installing "snow screens" in all of their TDI models, upstream of their OEM intake filter boxes. People (including myself) would rip them out, in the hopes to gain a hp or two.
Food for thought.
Given that you're pondering this, I'd recommend you sell it and move on. Your mind is already made up and if something else happens you'll blame whoever recommend holding onto the Wrangler.My thoughts are how can I trust my family to a vehicle that can't drive in the snow in Minnesota? Maybe the snow never gets in there again, but I don't trust the vehicle in a snowstorm anymore.
What do you guys think? Just hope it doesn't happen again, or try and dump the Wrangler as soon as it is fixed and get something more reliable?
That's disturbing. Maybe they'll figure something out next time?The dealership still says they do not know how the snow got into the engine compartment and are not able make it not happen again.
Things come up in the real world that wouldn't happen during testing. You figure, most all manufactures test their 'mules' fully disguised with covers before the official launch date. Just that one thing could result in an oversight. IMHO, the hood seal should have ran the full distance.One of the zillion tests that manufactures put vehicles through prior to production is specifically looking for snow packing/ingestion (http://www.mtukrc.org/wintertesting.htm). Basically driving in a snow field closely behind another vehicle until everything gets packed up with snow. They are specifically looking for failures to the intake system and turbo. Ideally the vehicle should... 1) Avoid complete blockages that can collapse the filter and damage the turbo, 2) Alert the driver regarding an issue with a CEL prior to damage. I know on my JLURD, the inner fender liner on the passenger side was so flimsy that it would fold back and grind on the tires at highway speeds. I can only imagine how much snow it would have pumped into the engine bay if I had driven it in winter...Maybe they don't do this kind of testing on Wranglers?
...but manufacturers have been winter testing for at least 109 years, so I wouldn't call snow intrusion unexpected and there is testing specifically for that purpose. The JL has been out for a while, is this only a Diesel problem during normal snow driving or do the gas guys have this issue too?Things come up in the real world that wouldn't happen during testing....
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