Car & Driver tests 2.0L Sahara and hate the steering issue

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Probably poorly worded on my part.........

What I meant was, I've built a ton of different vehicles...from tube frames from the ground up, to converting IFS rigs to SFA (as well as building axles for vehicles that came from the factory with SFA)...but always cut and turn the knuckle to get the caster I want in relation to the pinion angle before building the adjustable links.
Exactly, as in you are machining the parts. Watch that video how he installs that cam bolt and you'll see what that process involves. the average sahara owner won't notice or mind but i bet you would.

 

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Tires make a HUGE difference on these things. The cheapies on the Sport/Sahara have tarnished the JL. Once I upgraded tires it was a ton better.
 

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No, I saw that....looked bad. The problem I see is the slop. I usually use 3/8" 4130 plate for the link mounts and tack 1 size smaller hardened grade 8 SAE thick washers (makes the overall thickness of each tab about 1/2") that I machine to the exact bolt size since wallowing the bracket is a real issue. I'll use 1/4" material on the top typically since it's not going to be hitting the rocks.

Regardless, I get what you're saying now...just wasn't familiar with the "jerked off" comment, so I was asking for clarification.
Ohh haha thats old school Brooklyn lingo for not good or sub par. hahaha
 

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Tires make a HUGE difference on these things. The cheapies on the Sport/Sahara have tarnished the JL. Once I upgraded tires it was a ton better.
90% of the people on this forum never had a jeep before so those tires do just fine for them .
 


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I've never owned a Wrangler before, but that doesn't mean I don't notice the slight sway while driving. I have the upgraded Sahara tires and it feels better than the standard road tires they offered that is why we did the basic upgrade. but for a vehicle even at low speed to have a slight drift is not right. Hell even with power steering I still have to physically turn the wheel most of the time. Something is loose under the vehicle and needs to be tightened up. Again, I've never been a Wrangler owner or any 4x4 for that matter. However having driven numerous military vehicles, other peoples off roading vehicles non have had such loose steering unless its due to countless hours of abuse and use.
 

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Also keep in mind that every JL is different. Some do not need any changes to the hardware at all. There are many cases of simply needing the vehicle calibrations updated in the computer.
You mean at the dealer? I can imagine asking the dealer that, they would roll their eyes. Dealerships tend to either play dumb or are dumb.
 

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Tires make a HUGE difference on these things. The cheapies on the Sport/Sahara have tarnished the JL. Once I upgraded tires it was a ton better.
Yes and no, IMO. The stock BFG HTs on my Sport were adequate for the pavement. The steering was a bit twitchy until I corrected the over-inflated tires to 36 psi. I've since swapped them for Cooper all-terrain rubber to better handle the winter weather around here.
 

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All, I just made a trip to suncadia from Redmond. From 20ft ngvd88 to 2100 (peak at 3001 ft). I averaged 16.7mpg up hill from Redmond to the lodge. JLR hard top, windows up, clImate on auto. Coming back going from 70-90mph avg 69, mpg was 18.4mpg from lodge to Redmond. The steering was fine and tire pressure cold is 38~39psi. Steering is not a problem. Power not a problem.
 


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Tire presure ...mine was delivered at 50psi. Horrid handling. Sweet spot on my sport is 30psi

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Lack of caster adjuster bolts. This floors me. More caster seems to perform better. Thus why each model is different since they are set different. Sport seems the best followed by sahara then rubi.
 

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My steering seems to fall in-between the great steering some have and the paddy wagon feel others have. I notice I have to tug my steering to the left basically all of the time which to me is more an alignment issue. But I'm not tugging it far and it feels fairly stiff.

I just don't want to wake up every day and worry about the issues a Wrangler might have. If it's not the steering, then people would likely complain about something else as they are compromised vehicles. I mean, honestly, if you're having to fight FCA every day and keep taking your Jeep to the dealer, then maybe a Wrangler just isn't for you.
 

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I had a bit of play in the steering on delivery, but it seemed to get more stable after about 1K miles. I am reading that they used the wrong CASTER. When the dealer says "all is tight" underneath, well yes... it's tight because the CASTER adjust bolt is wrong and it is inserted in a narrow hole (this may need to be reemed out a bit). Each Jeep Wrangler model has a different CASTER spec... one for Rubicon, Sahara and Sport (see below). Also some have played with the adjustment nut on the gearbox and go some relief. I didn't need to go thru all of these remedies, mine improved with time and air pressure in the tires (Sahara trim 36 psi best for me).

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He had to get a JK adjuster bolt.

 

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