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The biggest thing people overlook is the care, cost, additional maintenance needed for diesel. IMO it seems most people think that it's a different fuel source and that's all.

Diesel (In my 10 years owning gas and diesel vehicles) cost more for service and maintenance. I for one am done with diesel and not going back.
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This was a good read. The diesel is still very interesting to me, but this provided a pretty well balanced discussion of why to consider other options. A lot of the diesel threads seem to get pretty heated for some reason.
 

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This was a good read. The diesel is still very interesting to me, but this provided a pretty well balanced discussion of why to consider other options. A lot of the diesel threads seem to get pretty heated for some reason.
They get heated because people who dont have a diesel, reply with things they have heard or read somewhere.. And honestly most people nowadays are like parrots.. they just repeat what others say over and over..
 

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Itā€™s not new, itā€™s just social media. People justify their choice by putting down other people. It use to be about engine mods or helping someone diagnose something. Iā€™ve not been to any of the other engine forums to tell them why I didnā€™t choose that engine.

Itā€™s a weird thing to do and those people are losers. They probably canā€™t turn a wrench so they need a hobby.
 

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Diesel? It depends on how much you tow. The torque and efficiency of diesels while towing is where they excel. Just keep it in the power band. Towards the top of the power band under a hard pull,watch the heat and always idle down before shut down. No experience with eco diesel but 44 years 18 wheeler experience.
 

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Somewhere on these forums there was a post asking diesel owners if they had any problems with their rigs. Last time I came across that, it was something like 92% had no problems at all. Another thing that I wonder about is how many of these diesel detractors on these forums even own one or even have driven one or even have taken a ride in one? Nothing mechanical that Iā€™ve ever owned and or used is perfect for every use at every time and in any conditions.

My motto has always been, change the oil and use it appropriately and donā€™t beat the living tar out of it. As far as those Ram forums go, I was talking to a friend of mine who was leasing a Ram eco diesel and he was having problems with something with the turbo last spring, it was a late generation 2. Earlier we had talked about maintenance and he had told me that he went to a muffler shop to have his oil changed because they had a $39.99 or thereabouts oil change special going. Letā€™s see, 11 quarts of oil in the Ram and a filter plus overhead and profit, I wonder what kind of oil they put in there? Oh yah, Jeep fixed his problem with only an overnight stay after getting the parts pretty quick.
 

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Most people with any new car donā€™t have issues. The people that complain always come to the internet. They all follow six sigma manufacturing which means they all yield about the same failure rate across platforms and manufacturers. But this is the internet, that means if I canā€™t put someone down to feel better about myself, or to complain, then there is no use for it (excluding porn).

I mean when was the last time you went to the 2.0t section and detailed why you didnā€™t buy that one? Probably because youā€™re not an idiot.

Every single modern diesel you see from Fords, Cummins, to big rigs have the exact same tech. That doesnā€™t mean I like it. Iā€™m just pointing out that itā€™s literally everywhere and it isnā€™t going away. I have not seen more complaining out side a sewing circle.

You think itā€™s hard to be an active driver with a DPF system? Try dealing with range calculations with a Tesla.

Now, Iā€™ve got to stop complaining about complainers.
 
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Itā€™s not new, itā€™s just social media. People justify their choice by putting down other people. It use to be about engine mods or helping someone diagnose something. Iā€™ve not been to any of the other engine forums to tell them why I didnā€™t choose that engine.

Itā€™s a weird thing to do and those people are losers. They probably canā€™t turn a wrench so they need a hobby.
As a wannabe mechanic, don't lump us all in the same category as the your-engine-isn't-as-good-as-mine people. :)
 

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Can you imagine the reactions to any vehicle produced in the 1980's would be, if they'd had exposure to the internet back then?? I suspect many of the shit-slingers and social media trouble makers around here were conceived in the 1980's and never really experienced a steaming pile of automotive excrement...those cars were truly amazing...and not in a good way! LOL

If anyone can remember how BAD those vehicles were then, you'd be amazed at how good things are now!! Half the crap rolling off the line in those days were junk from the get-go.

Just be glad for what we have.
 

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As a wannabe mechanic, don't lump us all in the same category as the your-engine-isn't-as-good-as-mine people. :)
I can assure you your ability to screw something up is second only to mine. Lol
 

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After spending a night on Ram Ecodiesel; forums ā€¦.. I cancelled my order this morning and back to looking at a Pentastar instead. It might not be the greatest motor but seems like it will last a lot longer then the diesel. But wow all the buy backs, failures, 30 plus days in the shop. Wow
No way I can justify dropping 40K in mods in a Jeep with a very questionable diesel motor. Sucks as I love diesels and had been anxiously waiting for one. If its a lemon never get my mod money back from FCA so I think probably best to wait and see.
If I was just going to drive it stock probably be ok to lease and they take the risk not me. But I saw a lot of people very upside down in their Rams and GC as the diesel is selling for less than the gas ones used they say.

I think you did the right thing. Read my update on the oil leak. My car was at the dealer for 4 months. It had 7K miles on it. Fully loaded 66K MSRP. I drove it off the lot and overheated immediately and its back there.

There are people who have no issues and I may be in the minority but the issues as common and serious. Its a great car and the driving experience is great but I have no confidence in long term reliability.

If I had to do it again I would get the 3.6 which I had prior to trading in for this. I had a 2.0 rental which felt faster but didnt like the jerkiness or sound but was impressed.

Sorry you had to cancel your order. Jeeps all have problems but I think the techs are not well trained on the diesels and they are too complex.
 

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Trade it in and get the hybrid. Those are super simple. These diesels aren't having any more or less issues than any other motor coming from jeep. And if your so sure itā€™s common please detail the percents compared to those sold. Iā€™m not unsympathetic and get youā€™re frustrated. Honestly, Iā€™d hire an attorney and try to move to a Bronco. The 2.0 folks are complaining about overheating at idle.

The only thing not uncommon is the amount of people having issues getting things fixed as a result of the world wide pandemic - from my brother in laws raptor in for 3 months to all the issues on the Cummins forums.
 
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Since most don't post when things are going good, I will. 13k on our JLURD since 3/16/21, 10 BOH trails and countless others. 2 trips to CO from GA, 1 while pulling our 2600 lb loaded overland trailer. The only issues I have had thus far are JL specific, stupid locker problems, and have absolutely nothing to do with the ecodiesel itself.

Getting in at 8% under invoice, and FULLY planning on getting rid of it before warranty is up is actually a very good money proposition. The being out of warranty worry is eliminated and you retain as much value as possible on trade in for another JLUR or, GASP, a Bronco. With how well these things hold their value, and such a good entry price, the money lost over 4 years and say 75k of usage will be quite minimal. I would put money on the assumption that we will lose less money than it would have cost us just for a few trips to Ouray and renting while there.

No doubt though you have to be ok with higher standard maintenance costs, which I am. After the 3 "free" oil changes, which I only have 1 left, I am just going to do it myself and run an 9k OCI. The main money draw is the oil itself and that is solely due to the capacity, which I am perfectly fine with as it acts as larger thermal mass to heat and cool. Yes the option itself costs money, and I don't at all look at fuel savings to offset that cost. However I do look at the fuel savings as money that supplements the extra cost for maintenance. In a standard OCI the fuel savings definitely get close to the disparity between maintenance costs of a 2.0/3.6 to the ecodiesel. The only real difference between them being the fuel filter service, which a trained monkey can do and the filters can be had much more reasonable on line as opposed to the dealer.

If I had to do it again, I'd go ecodiesel again for sure. Mainly because I know it isn't going to be around for much longer and I want to enjoy it while it is here and still covered under factory warranties.
 

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After spending a night on Ram Ecodiesel; forums ā€¦.. I cancelled my order this morning and back to looking at a Pentastar instead. It might not be the greatest motor but seems like it will last a lot longer then the diesel. But wow all the buy backs, failures, 30 plus days in the shop. Wow
No way I can justify dropping 40K in mods in a Jeep with a very questionable diesel motor. Sucks as I love diesels and had been anxiously waiting for one. If its a lemon never get my mod money back from FCA so I think probably best to wait and see.
If I was just going to drive it stock probably be ok to lease and they take the risk not me. But I saw a lot of people very upside down in their Rams and GC as the diesel is selling for less than the gas ones used they say.
I bought a 2016 GC diesel new and itā€™s been the family grocery-getter and grandchildren wagon for five and a half years. Itā€™s also our preferred ride for longer trips, particularly in winter weather, because itā€™s stable, comfortable, and fuel efficient, or at least it was before the litigation-mandated reflash.

My brother had a 2015 Ram eco diesel. His experiences were all good too, but when the litigation came he took the money and ran. Against my advice, he traded his Ram on his 2019 JLUR. (He got very little money for the Ram, which had a lifetime warranty on the engine as part of the settlement, so I thought he should keep it and just buy the wrangler, but Colorado is one of the states that financially abuses you for owning vehicles, and he didnā€™t want to keep paying vehicle property taxes on an extra vehicle.)

Weā€™re about nine months post-reflash, and weā€™ve been waiting about three months for the parts required for the third related recall. The GC has 51,000 miles on it now and it still looks and drives like new, except the two mandated reflashes significantly reduced both the power and the fuel economy. It feels okay to me, and itā€™s still sportier than the six cylinder GC, but my wife thinks sheā€™s a NASCAR driver, and she regularly complains about the performance drop and the new turbo lag since the dealer did itā€™s reflash magic. What bothers me is the fact that the fuel economy dropped from almost 32 mpg on the highway to about 26 mpg, and the check engine light now comes on and stays on about one day out of three.

Itā€˜s irritating that the EPA killed our performance and fuel economy. Weā€™re now buying at least 15% more diesel fuel to go the same distance every month, so I doubt the EPA litigation did any good for the environment, but at least my brother and I both got checks for $3,300* from Chrysler, so thereā€™s that.

(* Getting the settlement checks from Chrysler was a ridiculous goat-rope from start to finish. The short version distills to this. My brotherā€™s claim process started several months before mine and was awful, with indescribable (intentional?) incompetence on the FCA side, so I prepared thoroughly when it was my turn to file. I took color photocopies AND scanned every document in my package before sending the package to FCA via certified mail. The original package was delivered to FCA , but it was inexplicably lost in their system, so I used the scanned images, including certified mail receipt, to reinitiate the claim electronically. It took months to move through the process far enough to get a response. Then I had to resend the Image of the title TWICE (even though the image of both sides of the title was included with the original AND electronically-initiated claims.). As I neared the end of the process I called to see why I had heard nothing in more than six weeks. ā€œLaqueeshaā€œ in customer service informed me that my claim couldnā€™t move forward because my registration had expired. Of course, when I submitted the initial claim the registration was current, but it had expired during the intervening months, so I had to submit a copy of the new registration. I guess they were just going to wait for the claim period to expire, then record my application as ā€œincompleteā€ and not payable.

I sent Laqueesha the image of the updated registration and, after only two more follow-up calls and eight more weeks, I got my check. (You may be wondering why proof of current registration was necessary at all, since some owners might elect to use their truck or GC just to run around their own property without updating registration, and theyā€™d still be entitled to the money, but Laqueesha could offer no explanation, even after consulting her supervisor.)
 
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Google "Jeep 3.6 misfire issue" and watch your screen blow up. No engines are perfect. Seems like weekly I'm seeing somebody complain about that. Had another guy get his bought back from the manufacturer yesterday.

Nothing is certain in life. But if you drive the diesel for a week you'll never go back to a gas engine again. TOTALLY different experience.
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