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The delete word will have the wannabe gestapo on the site losing their damn minds. Just fair warning.

And for the record, I'm going to delete as soon as I can.
yea i would imagine. Covid19 did more for the environment in 3 months, than 50 years of EPA work.
its all money grabs. lithium mining, CARB requires DEF, CARB discovers how bad DEF is for the environment and starts pushing for something else. its all shots in the dark at our expense. give me an unrestricted electrical diesel and i will make better power, use less fuel, and last 3 times as long as a tier 4 engine.
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the eco diesel is loaded with flaws others have tried the twin egr and failed the def system is flawed the dpf is crap i can go on and on their a few that r ok the rest r a pile of problems
 

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OK. I have sat back long enough. I have 1458 miles on my JLUR 3.0 diesel. I am traveling the NASCAR circuit towing my Rubi. With 800 miles on my Jeep, I pull up to a stop light on a 55 mph road. Light turns green, cars approaching rapidly from behind, hit the foot pedal...It doesn't go...OMG. Finally it starts to creep ahead and then after approx 100ft it takes off. This goes on for the next 10 stoplights. Las Vegas dealership picks it up. Says "plugged EGR"...2 weeks minimum to get parts. On to California I go the next week, same intermittent problem, but added sluggish and rough morning starts. No dealership could squeeze me in. JEEPCARES on this forum reaches out to me...But why? They have done absolutely NOTHING except reach out to me "acting" as if they care. I provide them with everything they asked for and they don't have the common courtesy or respect for their product OR customer.

On to AZ I go the next week. I make appt at Phoenix dealership. Sits for 3 days. Get total run around. (Even one time said that their tech was working with Jeep when indeed the tech was on vacation and not even working that day). I pick it up. They say "good to go". I asked "what did you do?'....They responded "nothing...we checked some things out...plugged it back together...nothing wrong"
Really...No EGR issues...NOPE!
I get 25 miles down the road...same thing. NO THROTTLE. I make it back to dealership. They drive it, but wouldn't replicate. They say, "although we can pull the codes again, we need it to happen to us, so we can witness it in order to repair it"....BS

I start a Star case with Jeep that evening. No one has reached out to me yet.

Today I am in Atlanta. Dropped off at another dealership...3rd one now. It has 17 codes stored in it again after 50 miles of driving.

TO BE CONTINUED...
Good news is that after 3 failed attempts to fix your JEEP this is legally considered a LEMON. And you can get a lemon law attorney for free who will rip them a new asshole. You’ll either get a monster check and get to keep the Jeep in exchange for your silence about the issue and it won’t be “marked a lemon” (even though it clearly is a lemon).

Or they will have to buy the Jeep back in its entirety, or give you a brand new one for free.

There’s a couple ways out of it for them, but every one is them loosing a lemon law lawsuit if they don’t get this fixed on the third try.
 

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Good news is that after 3 failed attempts to fix your JEEP this is legally considered a LEMON. And you can get a lemon law attorney for free who will rip them a new asshole. You’ll either get a monster check and get to keep the Jeep in exchange for your silence about the issue and it won’t be “marked a lemon” (even though it clearly is a lemon).

Or they will have to buy the Jeep back in its entirety, or give you a brand new one for free.

There’s a couple ways out of it for them, but every one is them loosing a lemon law lawsuit if they don’t get this fixed on the third try.
Wow is that always the case with three tries? I almost want the order I'm waiting for to be a lemon then...
 

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And you can get a lemon law attorney for free who will rip them a new asshole.
While the owner gets a new vehicle, how does the owner's attorney get compensated? I've not heard about a requirement for the manufacturer to reimburse for legal fees.
 

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While the owner gets a new vehicle, how does the owner's attorney get compensated? I've not heard about a requirement for the manufacturer to reimburse for legal fees.
The manufacturer pays for them. You call around until you find an attorney that will do it pro-Bono. Which is actually easy to find because you have a slam dunk and they will know it. They laws are pretty cut and dry.

I went through this all with a Subaru WRX STI that i got new and then heavily modified. Even with heavy modifications they lost. Ended up being a main wiring harness issue where it went through the firewall 2 wires rubbed bare and when they would occasionally ground out the car would throw all sorts of weird codes.

They had the car for 3 months, I sued them and won, they had to pay all attorney fees, give me a rental for the entire time, pay my payment in the car I couldn’t drive and insurance premiums, as well as I got a check for $10,500 and got to keep the car.

It was a sweet ass deal and filing the lemon law suit was like a 15 minute ordeal 100% over the phone, email them some documents and wham bam thank you ma’am!
 
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Wow is that always the case with three tries? I almost want the order I'm waiting for to be a lemon then...
Changes state to state but there are also time limits and shit too. Like my Subaru which the factory kept for 3 months trying to fix after I bought it. They ended up flying in a specialist from Japan to Arizona who finally got it fixed. See post above.

But most states are probably pretty similar. You’ll have to look up your specific states lemon laws. Arizona has a few criteria such as being unable to fix the same problem after 3 failed attempts/separate trips to the dealership for the same problem, and a time limit too like max number of days it can be in the shop before it’s automatically considered a lemon. You still have to sue after you meet these criteria though.
 

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@Repairable1 So what ever happened? A year later and where does this stand? I’m supposed to pull the trigger on a 3.0 this week. From the sounds of it, the 3.0 is more for highway driving than city driving. Long run times for smoother regens.
Did you get it fixed or finalize a lemon suit?
 

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Nobody has to go through this kind of crap after buying a new vehicle. This sort of issue isn't limited to diesel engines. I've heard and seen too many other similar problems with incompetent dealers on other issues on Jeep. Other manufacturers have problems too, but it seems Jeep is far more notorious for poor quality and dealer service department.
I would try best to dump the Jeep and get something else.
 

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@Repairable1From the sounds of it, the 3.0 is more for highway driving than city driving.
I drive almost all city and it runs like a champ. Yes...it goes through more actives regens if you drive less highway, but that is precisely what the system is engineered to do. I wouldn't let it concern me in the least.

One tip: buy a Scangauge (or Banks' product) to monitor soot%.
 

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Good news is that after 3 failed attempts to fix your JEEP this is legally considered a LEMON. And you can get a lemon law attorney for free who will rip them a new asshole. You’ll either get a monster check and get to keep the Jeep in exchange for your silence about the issue and it won’t be “marked a lemon” (even though it clearly is a lemon).

Or they will have to buy the Jeep back in its entirety, or give you a brand new one for free.

There’s a couple ways out of it for them, but every one is them loosing a lemon law lawsuit if they don’t get this fixed on the third try.
You really shouldn't give out any advice! You obviously don't know how the lemon law works but there are details that more than a third grade education could understand! There is no big check for "exchange of silence" as that would be extortion. Lemon law attorney's are not free and will not take a case on contingency! Each state has variances to the lemon law and I suggest that the OP digests the content before following some horse's ass advice. What would I know.....oh, I was a federal prosecutor for about a decade.

Go do something contructive!
 

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You really shouldn't give out any advice! You obviously don't know how the lemon law works but there are details that more than a third grade education could understand! There is no big check for "exchange of silence" as that would be extortion. Lemon law attorney's are not free and will not take a case on contingency! Each state has variances to the lemon law and I suggest that the OP digests the content before following some horse's ass advice. What would I know.....oh, I was a federal prosecutor for about a decade.

Go do something contructive!
Ouch. You are long on the subject matter, but short on bedside manner. Did I miss a post where he said something incredibly offensive to you?
 
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Ouch. You are long on the subject matter, but short on bedside manner. Did I miss a post where he said something incredibly offensive to you?
No @rickinAZ you did not miss any post, I’ve never said anything to this member - until now. I just replied which is pretty hilarious because it shows just how stupid this guy really is, he in actuality is the one who has no idea what he is talking about. He’s just talking out of his ass. Also what a dickhead to come at me out of nowhere like that, especially when he was DEAD WRONG!
 

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I’ll say this much as one having gone through a lemon law buy back in Florida and having won. Attorneys are free if you follow the entire process. Each state is unique. Lots of hoops. Be willing to jump and don’t listen to the manufacturer. GM tried telling me I had no case. BBB did the same until I read the law to both and then both agreed. Oddly I expected BBB to be on my side but my experience showed otherwise. Do know this. Both must follow the law. Read it. Digest it. Stick to the process and if you have a valid case then it should work as expected.
 

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Oh yeah, there's a ton of consumer law attorneys that will take a Magnuson-Moss/Lemon Law case on a contingency basis (if they think they can win.) I settled on one such case as well. There's a whole lot of Federal out-the-ass testimony going on here.
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