Brand Report Card - Ouch!

[Chris2183]

You know that Mini is owned by BMW, and the Mini Countryman is basically a reskinned BMW X1, and the MIni is a 2-series. If BMW is first, why wouldn't Mini be third? It is the same vehicle

Unfortunately too many people let the poor reputation the second gens got (with the N14 engine) overshadow the brand still.

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[Thane]

The only objective "Report Card" is the 5 year and 10 year residual value.

 

[entropy]

BMW 1st. lol....

 

[Htfan]

You know that Mini is owned by BMW, and the Mini Countryman is basically a reskinned BMW X1, and the MIni is a 2-series. If BMW is first, why wouldn't Mini be third? It is the same vehicle

Again, the feedback from friends/family that own/have owned a Mini. These vehicles are far from trouble free.

 

[Tncdrew]

I'm not surprised at Jeeps position on that list... I mean, all you have to do is follow this forum on a regular basis

But hey! Like y'all, I bought one!

 

[Deleted member 59498]

Who paid for best spot? Oh BMW

 

[entropy]

The only objective "Report Card" is the 5 year and 10 year residual value.

This....

Jeeps have some little annoying issues in general that tend to drive some people nuts, like the dual battery system with the aux dying. Then 90% of dealers are so bad and generally don't fix warranty issues in a timely manner or at all.... So very minor things can become a royal nightmare. We also have the solid front axle, high center of gravity, large tires, narrow body, etc... that make the driving experience very unique.... this experience is so different than modern cars that people think their jeeps drive like shit and something is wrong with them.

At the end of the day the residual value tells a story. A lot of demand for used Jeeps. Jeeps with high mileage that are still running. With their little annoying quirks, but still running.

My 2021 Camry has a great residual value as well. But it also has some quirks here and there.

 

[Shibadog]

The thought crossed my mind as I was responding to the thread that @aldo98229 made about trading his current Jeep, and also as I typed my response to this thread. Will the Wrangler become the next Corvette? Meant to be youth oriented, but priced so far out of range that only those who have earned well can afford them. Then it gets the de facto image as a mid life crisis/old folks vehicle. Creature comfots and tech gizmos will take the place of dedicated heavy duty/performance options. Wait, I think the Wrangler has damn near reached that point.

Um, yup, we are there. When you combine lockers with leather seats and power everything you are there. As for Consumers reports-Jeeps been at the bottom of their list since at least the 1980’s, I think I’d be worried if we ever got near the top.

 

[Tncdrew]

BMW 1st. lol....

I dunno....
I've had two BMW'S in my lifetime, the latest being a '22 X5. Two of the most reliable, best driving cars I've owned. And in nearly 50 years of driving, I've owned a few.

 

[entropy]

I dunno....
I've had two BMW'S in my lifetime, the latest being a '22 X5. Two of the most reliable, best driving cars I've owned. And in nearly 50 years of driving, I've owned a few.

That's good to hear. I've always wanted one but friends experiences and residual value have kept me from buying one. They're very stylish, comfortable, and a dream to drive. Maybe it is the used ones that need repairs from simply being high mileage or bad previous ownership paired with difficult and expensive repairs what gives them a bad rep. around here.

 

[Thane]

I dunno....
I've had two BMW'S in my lifetime, the latest being a '22 X5. Two of the most reliable, best driving cars I've owned. And in nearly 50 years of driving, I've owned a few.

'22 X5?... most reliable 1 year old car...?

 

[Tncdrew]

'22 X5?... most reliable 1 year old car...?

Ok... I'll give you that
But initial quality, driveability, and dealer experience on that one has been top notch.

 

[Xorak]

Based on my experiences with many different vehicle brands, I'd say that list does a pretty good job of ranking service department experiences.

 

[entropy]

'22 X5?... most reliable 1 year old car...?

Most people judge reliability by owner experience... of a new vehicle... in fact a lot of these sites also post "most reliable cars" as new models....

I personally don't start talking about reliability until a car is at least 5 years old and 100k miles. that's when a car truly is put to the test beyond this minimal things people complain about. "My battery died at 5k miles" to me is not really a deal breaker.... There are many many reasons something like this could happen and it is relatively minor.

The engine and transmission in most JLs is going to have outstanding performance. I am sure of that. The electronics? I guess we will see lol.

 

[aldo98229]

You know that Mini is owned by BMW, and the Mini Countryman is basically a reskinned BMW X1, and the MIni is a 2-series. If BMW is first, why wouldn't Mini be third? It is the same vehicle

Things are never that simple. You are dealing with different buyers with different expectations, different dealer networks; often different tires, different features and options, and even different assembly plants.

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